Max69vk Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Avoiding the legality issues, does anyone have a link to or know where to get some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one litre wonder ;) Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 need to go to europe me thinks cause its illegal over here ( mind you so is front window tinting but you can still get it done ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 front window tints won't rip apart and kill you style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heckels Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Branded steels?Are we talking about steel wheels? Why are these illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Banded steels. They're steelies that have been cut in half and had an extra 'band' welded in to make them wider.I saw a how to guide somewhere on how to make them, looked fairly easy to be honest. He said people think that wheels are really accurately made, but most wheels are slightly 'off'. As long as it looks pretty level when spinning, he reckons you'll be alright.I can't see why they'd be dangerous if they're done properly. Steelies are welded anyway, why does it matter if it's got an extra weld in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heckels Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Oh banded not branded.I didn't know what they were.I'm not an engineer but I've been told that if you get a good weld it can be stronger than the original material.So, surely if the weld is strong and the rotation is true they should be OK.... or am I completely off the mark?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L119 UPO Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) Steelies are welded anyway, why does it matter if it's got an extra weld in there?Oh yeah, cars are welded together anyway. what does it matter if the front half and rear half wern't originally part of the same car style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />Is one welder as good as another ? no, are they heck as like. Steel wheels will undergo stringent testing before they leave the factory. How the hell are you supposed to regulate every tom, dick and harrys welding quality style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> Wheels come off, people die.Wheel design isnt as simple as you think, you cant just go Bish Bash Bosh theres a set of wheels. They have to be designed to withstand the forces that will be set upon them. Edited February 1, 2007 by LoopGTI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 I didn't say everyone can make them. I said 'as long as the weld is good'. They're illegal because there were too many bad ones made. If you make them well, with a good weld, there's no reason why they'd be unsafe.If welding is unsafe for wheels, why are they welded together to start with?You don't need to regulate Tom, Dick and Harry's welding. Just the bloke thats welding your wheels.Lots of stuff is welded. Welds are strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) i no a lad who took some mondeo steels and split them, turned the outer part around and welded them back together on his mk1 escort, still rollin on them n they look ace!had no problems and he did this with two worktop clamps to hold them in the correct position, no vibrations at all so must be pretty true wheels! Edited February 1, 2007 by scotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L119 UPO Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) You don't need to regulate Tom, Dick and Harry's welding. Just the bloke thats welding your wheels.But if they were legal, how the hell are they gonna know theyve been done by a proffesional ?They have outlawed it to stop people causing UNNECCISSERY fatal accidents. Banded steels are not neccissery, they are a liability to the public.It's like the window tints thing. We were all allowed to fit aftermarket tints, until some biker got killed by a driver who had tints in his front windows. Now anybody would say "but i can see fine with tints" and you can, But they are a liability and unneccissery.The law is an ass, the way things are run it makes you laugh sometimes. Prioritys seem to be all over the place, but thats just the way it is.If you know better than the law,fine, but you should expect to get collard if you get caught.We can all make our own choices. Edited February 1, 2007 by LoopGTI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 If you make them well, with a good weld, there's no reason why they'd be unsafe.too trueif you look at a banded steel that has been done properly and compare it to the standard item you will see the quality of the welds.i dont know where you can get them, but personaly due to the risk i would only want some made by somebody i trusted and knew was competent enough to do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupodave Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) Try looking up Weller wheels. Pretty sure their steel wheels are legal and you can get them wide as ****. They might be a bit hard to find a set at first, but well worth it. Edited February 1, 2007 by lupodave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picola Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Try looking up Weller wheels. Pretty sure their steel wheels are legal and you can get them wide as ****. They might be a bit hard to find a set at first, but well worth it.I fell in love with some Weller wheels, but I think most of the range is for 5 stud aren't they?Worth a look anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16vpolo Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 banding was made non mot legal because there were many people making them badly,as the law states banding cant be done but using 2 sets of four wheels cut in different ways to make one wide set isnt classed as non mot legal.ive made one set a while back for use on a ford super stock car.. they were driven hard crashed and even knocked back straight with a hammer without problems.but thats because they were welded properly with good weld penatration and were checked for "true" all the way through.banding often was a problem as there were two welds one. to hold in the new section of metal (often what ever could be found and not suited to the job) two to hold the rim lip section to the new matal..very common on mini wheels.the sets that are sold on germany are fully tested and some even come with tvu stamps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyp Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 reading an old pvw, what about the smart steelies?? 7.5 wide and nice dish on them..im sure that they have same bolt pattern etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69vk Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) I've had a look at weller wheels but their website is utter poop & of no use to anyone, I haven't heard of using smart steelies so I might take a look at them too style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> Edited February 2, 2007 by Max69vk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The subtle modder Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 smarts are 3 stud so youll need extensive mods...........wellers are good and a lad on here had them on his sport was it RS2 quatro?wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69vk Posted February 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Wellers are an option but the idea is to get them deep rather than just wide, & there website being about 2 years out of date doesnt help border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyp Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 are they 3 stud?? why would it be in the mag then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Weller's look insane!yeah thats it. if you read the thread though you will realise that he had a huge amount of trouble fitting them. not saying dont try though. if i had the money i would have a set in a flash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Weller's customer service is non existant, so I hear. They don't really deal with the public much, I assume its mainly motorsport, so they never return calls/emails etc.Maybe its changed. I always wanted some on the Golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16vpolo Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 no its still the same... they do loads of sales to things like formular 3000 and those types of car so they feel they dont need to much other business to the public as its not worth much money.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbr Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 reading an old pvw, what about the smart steelies?? 7.5 wide and nice dish on them..im sure that they have same bolt pattern etcSmarts are 3 bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The subtle modder Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 smarts are 3 stud so youll need extensive mods...........Smarts are 3 bolts.Al your a bit late mate border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepin_eyes Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 I'm sitting here with an issue of PVW (5/06), and in the 'new stuff' section of the mag there is an ad from www.ra-design.co.uk, 8x15" wide steelies with et 12, 25 or 35, it also says they're non-banded (even better I guess), looks the part though... border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" />Tiny tires on tiny rims. border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" />A little work was needed on the front of the rims, minimal use of filler was needed... border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" />The result. border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" />This guy have done over 30 sets(!) for a colleague of mine who builds cars (yes he like steel wheels very much and have built cars since the 70's border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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