mk2 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 I'm trying to find one. After loads of phone calls, trawling the internet and in person dealership visits, I'm drawing a blank. I've even been to skoda, seat and audi to see if anyone has one on a shelf somewhere. Various places on the internet say they have one, but it's all clickbait. Been there, done that. It's the seal behind the gearbox on the gearshift mechanism. When the gearstick starts to feel sloppy, chances are that this seal has failed and gunge has got into the mechanism, grinding away the joint. You can still get the internal parts, but there's no point if the outer seal is split allowing grit and dust in. Every Arosa, Polo and Lupo with a 085 gearbox has one of these rubber boot seals. Each one I've worked on or checked, this seal has split. In fact even after replacing it, it failed again after two years. They don't last. Worth checking your's. If or when I find a source, I'm buying 5, as they're only about £4 (or were). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObjectiveAway Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Some time ago OEM was available for around 15£, but I don't see them available anymore. At least 6N0711135 OEM and aftermarket are still available. Looks like its not the same, but might be this can be used as replacement. P.S. Actually there is a little mistake in title, because most of 085 gearboxes does not have cable shifters. Edited November 28, 2020 by ObjectiveAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted November 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Thanks for that 👍🏻 I'll buy it, and when it gets here I'll let everyone know if it fits. Looks very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I have the very last EVER one left (according to vdub database)! Yay! Now, I wonder if anyone has any good ideas how we can make a mould from this one without destroying it? I don't need to fit it just yet, so once we have a way of copying it out of silicone or polyurethane rubber, there will be more available for the world (ok, mainly Lupos with 085 gearboxes I'm guessing). I dunno much about mould making. Anyone? Admire the last one ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlebus Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 I need one, know nothing about mould making though. Where did you find it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2020 Another club lupo member found it for me in the vdub database (we have spies on the inside...). The other similar part arrived, but clearly very different, and much bigger. It's going in the bin, unless someone wants it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 Isn't there an aftermarket replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 Nope. Asked everyone. Someone has the original steel mould but I suspect they've probably binned it or ceased business. It's not like there's much demand for it as the market is getting smaller everyday. But. I now have a mould I've made. It looks perfect, but i need to fill a few tiny pinholes here and there. Then when I get a chance I'll try it with builders silicone rubber (neutral cure type). 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Do VW still manufacture most parts for early Golfs etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 I dunno. But I know from various part numbers I've seen, they do reuse a lot of early components in newer cars. I guess vdub engineers ask the question "why reinvent the wheel when we already have a working design?". They literally must have a warehouse with shelves and shelves of a each single part on display that the guys can have a wander around until they find something that is a close match to what they need. Then they'd simply need to slightly alter any new component to work. I did that once upon a time... I've even seen original old beetle components on the newest vdub cars. But they get clever and occasionally rename or renumber the part, so you can never be 100% sure that it is the exact same thing. In the past I've got away with it by simply changing the first 3 digits of a part number, and it worked! Like lupo usually starts with 6X0, similar Polo parts 6N0, mk4 golf 1J0 and so on. But the last letter, like "A" or "B" at the end of the number can mean it's a completely different design. This seal we're talking about, I think is unique to the gearbox - gear stick linkage setup only used in some Polos and Lupos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansschuman Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) On 12/28/2020 at 11:28 AM, mk2 said: Nope. Asked everyone. Someone has the original steel mould but I suspect they've probably binned it or ceased business. It's not like there's much demand for it as the market is getting smaller everyday. But. I now have a mould I've made. It looks perfect, but i need to fill a few tiny pinholes here and there. Then when I get a chance I'll try it with builders silicone rubber (neutral cure type). 👍🏻 hi. any update mold you made ? thx Edited January 7, 2021 by hansschuman adhd :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Yeah I need to try it out with some silicone, polyurethane or EPDM rubber. When I get the time.... It looks good, so if I get the release agent right (I'm going to try liquid beeswax), I think I should be able to make a few copies for Club lupo members before the mould wears out. I'm going to make 3 for me first. interested people so far: @mk2 x3 @battlebus x1 @hansschuman x1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansschuman Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 wow 👏 my old part is like emental 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansschuman Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 What material did you use for the mold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansschuman Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 if you have the good mold, it would be amazing to make a scan for a 3Dprinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 I would like to but how...? Then we could CAM a new mould from aluminium/steel. The inside part of the mould I made with a steel tube and fibre reinforced epoxy resin (chemfix). Very smooth surface. The two outside halves are made using sand and cement. Very strong but a few tiny air bubbles. I tapped the soft cement a lot to get most of the air out, but there are still some tiny holes. Maybe the beeswax will fill them. You can still see the part number in the cement! 👍🏻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammedrollerskate Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 I'd like to go on the list for one please?🤙 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 @Slammedrollerskate x1 plus the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C3peteo Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 Stick me down for one please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 For a mold - If you can get hold of the stuff dentists use that would give you the best result - but may ware out quickly For 3D model - this could be built up from photos & fed into Autodesk 123D or other software Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 @C3peteo x1 plus the others. Ah cr@p, this is turning into a production run thing now. Should have kept my mouth shut and let everyone suffer... 😳 I'm gonna attempt making my first copy later this week. I've got everything ready, but ran out of time today. It wouldn't be that hard to CAD this, but machining up a decent 2 part tool and plug wouldn't be cheap. Precision CAM facilities charge about £400 an hour. Plus coding and materials. So perhaps £2k which certainly makes it not worth it for the likes of us "hobbyists". I paid £14 for the vdub original old stock part. Much more than that makes it expensive unless someone really is desperate. A plastic bag and a couple of rubber bands would work short term for maybe a few months just to keep rain and grit out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 Depending on material being used to cast - the mold parts could be 3D printed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decvalts Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) Thread resurrection I know...but I'm also looking for one of these now. How did your copying attempt go? Edited April 10, 2022 by decvalts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted April 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 Yeah, good. I need to make some more. All the ones made I sold... I use black stretchy polyurethane rubber ("stixall" in fact), which takes a few days to cure in the mould. When I get a chance, probably after easter now. A tenner each posted. At least it's easy enough to swap it without dismantling half the car. And while out, that little ball can be cleaned and regreased with synthetic 'plastic gear' grease. Don't use the normal lithium bearing grease as it's not the right stuff. I'll post here when I've done a few more. Or give me a kick or bump this thread if I forget... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decvalts Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 I might have a second interested person looking for one of these seals as well over from the Lupo Owners facebook group. Also, I'd be happy to buy a couple if that makes it more worth your while. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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