hope Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Will a 1.4 Tdi remapped be quicker than a std 1.6 16v over a lap?Jabba estimate about 120bhp and 190 lbft race spec for a 1.4 Tdi with the std turbo. V's the 16v with minor mods to 130bhp. But I'm not quite decided what to race. They're different race series but just I wanna have fun so either will do.Anyone ever compared on or off track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I cant see that a 120bhp TDI could even beat a standard 100bhp petrol sport on a race track.certainly on a sprint track, a (claimed) 115bhp TDI got its ass well and truly kicked by a petrol sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbr Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I cant see that a 120bhp TDI could even beat a standard 100bhp petrol sport on a race track.certainly on a sprint track, a (claimed) 115bhp TDI got its ass well and truly kicked by a petrol sport.wasnt said 115bhp TDI massively underpowered anyway? I'm sure i recall him coming out with only 90ps after a rolling road...I'm 100% Certain that I could beat JAM in his sport on a race track any day of the week...He struggled like heck keeping up with me on the way home from edition, and thats regardless of country roads, or motorways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Would be intresting to organise a track day for our theorys to be tested out.Ive always suspected there would ot e much in it between a GTI and sport around a track.We need The Stig to test them lolYou never know though Al, one day you may take the hint and take it up the Pod to shut me up lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz_Wilko Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I'd love to see one of these races style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The subtle modder Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 id bet on the tuned petrol to be honest, ever seen the top gear video of clarkson driving that jag x type diesel around the nurburgring?wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcrook Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 It's all about the driver babyI've owned (ownership) a gti and a tdi Petrol just seems more suited to fast driving or maybe it's just the satisifying noise, dunno - feeling grammarly uncomposed todayWould love to go on a lupo track day, specially if there was the full lupo range there inc 1.0's style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69vk Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 The driving styles are completely different in each car due to the way the engines respond, however the actual question was whether a tuned TDI would beat a standard GTI. The simple answer is no.The GTI has better gearing for low end (1st +2nd) & a longer 5th for higher top end, the tuned Tdi will be quicker in terms of 'on the move' & in gear acceleration due to where its power band & torque is. Having said that though a tuned TDi could really do with having a 6th gear as they will easily pull to the redline in 5th, & that would increase the top end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hope Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 The driving styles are completely different in each car due to the way the engines respond, however the actual question was whether a tuned TDI would beat a standard GTI. The simple answer is no.The GTI has better gearing for low end (1st +2nd) & a longer 5th for higher top end, the tuned Tdi will be quicker in terms of 'on the move' & in gear acceleration due to where its power band & torque is. Having said that though a tuned TDi could really do with having a 6th gear as they will easily pull to the redline in 5th, & that would increase the top end.Oops! I could have made a little mistake there then! I was hoping that all the tuned tdi guys, especially the guy with 117bhp, were going to tell me that the torque from the Tdi was doing the business and kicking 16v ass. I may have a spare TDi engine for sale pretty soon then. I just hope someone outbids me. Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbr Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Would be intresting to organise a track day for our theorys to be tested out.Ive always suspected there would ot e much in it between a GTI and sport around a track.We need The Stig to test them lolYou never know though Al, one day you may take the hint and take it up the Pod to shut me up lolI dont think i'll ever have the chance to... I rekon the car will have sold and gone by the end of the week style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />Its not so much about what it can do in a straight line, I'm pretty confident it'd lose against a sport on a standing quarter. but i dont think theres any way it'd be overtaken on a track by a sport, unless a mismatch of driver capability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max69vk Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Oops! I could have made a little mistake there then! I was hoping that all the tuned tdi guys, especially the guy with 117bhp, were going to tell me that the torque from the Tdi was doing the business and kicking 16v ass. I may have a spare TDi engine for sale pretty soon then. I just hope someone outbids me. Ha!It depends on what you want to use the car for. Im well happy with my Tdi & have got used to the torque, petrol motors just feel gutless in comparison but you can ring the tits off them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Would love to go on a lupo track day, specially if there was the full lupo range there inc 1.0's style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />id be up for a track day!!! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 So would I (even though I'm a crap driver lol)NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> would be fun! rolly polly all over the track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 but i dont think theres any way it'd be overtaken on a track by a sport, unless a mismatch of driver capability.I would be willing to Wager a Vast sum of money against that claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> would be fun! rolly polly all over the track!It would be roly poly for me as well with the stock suspension style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":paperbag:" border="0" alt="paperbag.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 It would be roly poly for me as well with the stock suspension style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":paperbag:" border="0" alt="paperbag.gif" />thats what i mean! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 thats what i mean! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />Maybe I'd be more suited to a drag strip instead.NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 hahahahahahahahaha, thats it rub it in! bens got a 1L blah blah blah! hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 hahahahahahahahaha, thats it rub it in! bens got a 1L blah blah blah! hahahaLmao I wasn't looking at it like that. I'm not exactly gonna be traveling at break-neck speeds either am I! lolNOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clouseau Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 in racing/track torque doest mean much at all, its mostly about bhp, if you have a car with a little bit more bhp, that car will win. cars being of similar weight of course. in gear acceleration and big pull from low rpm is a trump card that has no strength when the petrol is always in its power band in all gears.so it depends how much bhp you can get out of the 1.4tdi that will decide it. would need to be 125bhp+ to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1 Lupo Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I feel if the GTi was kept in the high lift cam range it would be a close call, with the amount of torque the TDi has. I've owned both, and to be honest I'd go with the GTi on track as if you can manage keep it on the boil, its acceleration would give you the advantage. A close one though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 id be up for a track day!!! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />So would I (even though I'm a crap driver lol)NOCKDefinitely need a track day event, i would go style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altern8 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 a standard 1.4 petrol i would say yes but not a gti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcrook Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 I would be willing to Wager a Vast sum of money against that claimThe Fast and The Furious 4 - NFBR v Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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