Luppy Jack Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) So today I was pulled for the first time and handed a pg9 and had to have a MOT retest.The reasons for this was about arch clearance, I'm running 8j banded g60's (so et10) obviously quite pokey, my arches have been rolled flat, 165/50 nankangs plently of stretch so the tread is in the archI am running fk highsports with custom rear springs, the clearance on the rear is obviously minimal, so I don't totally disagree here (which some flaring will hopefully remedy)My query was on further inspection of the car he starting to become ambiguous, such as when I put my front wheels on full lock, there was definitely clearance but he explained if the car was fully laiden there wouldn't be any clearance, but surely thats irrelevant as it wasn't fully laiden at the time and he should only be inspecting what he can see?How much clearance is neccessary to be deemed road worthy? Edited February 5, 2013 by Luppy Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 If it doesn't catch it passes, signs of catching they'll probably advise or if they're mardy they'll fail, but if it catches then you're kinda asking to be pulled anyways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think the police officer is talking utter baws. As far as i know there's nothing to say how low a car can be (unless it's over laden). I'm surprised he didn't have a bitch about the stretch though tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricracer Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 were you driving normally or like an idiot? sounds like he just needed an excuse to pull you, (running 165's on 8's ) you will attract attention. im pretty sure there is no rules on how low you can be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luppy Jack Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) If it doesn't catch it passes, signs of catching they'll probably advise or if they're mardy they'll fail, but if it catches then you're kinda asking to be pulled anyways!I see, I got a retest about an hour after the incident, jacked it up until I get my arches sorted just wanted to know where I stand if I get pulled for it again,I need to be confident it'll never rub regardless of the load in it I guessI think the police officer is talking utter baws. As far as i know there's nothing to say how low a car can be (unless it's over laden). I'm surprised he didn't have a bitch about the stretch though tbh.I was also surprised by this not a word was mentioned hahawere you driving normally or like an idiot? sounds like he just needed an excuse to pull you, (running 165's on 8's ) you will attract attention. im pretty sure there is no rules on how low you can beI can honestly say perfectly normally, very rarely do I drive like an idiot, what with it being a 1litre and all that Edited February 5, 2013 by Luppy Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Lupo Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Aint there 'too low' thing just about the headlight beams not showing enough road or some ****? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 That's summat totally different Sam, you could have your car scraping the floor and still have a good beam pattern and range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Lupo Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 That's summat totally different Sam, you could have your car scraping the floor and still have a good beam pattern and range.Opps me just being stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 Nah you're alright bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt123roll Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I also believe the copper was just being arsey. As far as im aware there's no law on how low you can be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 If there was a law then every air ride company would have disclaimers saying that it's only for using when not driving and that it should be raised before going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 in regards to catching arches. it shouldnt fail the MOT as far as im aware. i once had an advisory for "fouling against bodywork"im no MOT expert so i could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_GTI Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Just bear in mind, if you can't get your car onto the MOT testers ramps, it's an instant fail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 You can always get your car onto ramps. Just depends how patient/pissy the tester is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 just noticed aswell... those blue wheels in your profile picture look familiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luppy Jack Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 Sounds like I caught him on a bad day then, ill put that one down to experience and hopefully have no more trouble once I flare the arches! Also considering a smal amount of camber if I can't get the clearance from flaring, but trying to avoid this as much as possible Thought you might haha, I'm the guy who came to pick them up with him, saw you in the loop down derby last night, still had no luck with the sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 ooo i know who you are now then not having much luck at all bud. Its on ebay with about 4 hours left. loads watching it but will have to see how it ends. About ready to give it away!where was i? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luppy Jack Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I was on my way back from the station after beig told I can drive again haha, you were coming round the McDonalds/morrisons roundabout about 6ish with the mrs I assume Haha I can imagine it too be annoying looking forward to seeing the progress on the golf! hopefully it'll go this time then bud, I assume they don't know it just won best gti 2012 get that ebay listing edited! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 I was on my way back from the station after beig told I can drive again haha, you were coming round the McDonalds/morrisons roundabout about 6ish with the mrs I assumeHaha I can imagine it too be annoying looking forward to seeing the progress on the golf! hopefully it'll go this time then bud, I assume they don't know it just won best gti 2012 get that ebay listing edited!yeah i met sophie at macdonalds afterwork as she was heading home i was heading to college. i think i did see nathan in the drivethru. were you with him?yeah iv edited it its got over 60 watching it and had a few emails and messages. Just got to see what happens. If not i will stick it up for 2500 in the classifieds... it should definately sell for that much.Yeah the golf will get there eventually think nathan wants to see it when its running anyway so will pop out one night in the summer for a spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luppy Jack Posted February 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 yeah i met sophie at macdonalds afterwork as she was heading home i was heading to college. i think i did see nathan in the drivethru. were you with him?yeah iv edited it its got over 60 watching it and had a few emails and messages. Just got to see what happens. If not i will stick it up for 2500 in the classifieds... it should definately sell for that much.Yeah the golf will get there eventually think nathan wants to see it when its running anyway so will pop out one night in the summer for a spinMust be a killer going to college at night haha? yeah I was with nathan I'd had thought you'd have easily got 2600 for it no doubt it would go for 2500 in classifiedsYeah man definitely, im sure ill see the progress of it on here but let me or nay know when you're ready to show it off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Out of curiosity, if your car flies through the MOT no problem, who pays, you I assume?You shouldn't have to pay for an MOT retest (unless it fails of course) just because some copper finds out his wife is shagging his best mate behind his back and decides to go all arsey with every individual he meets. Edited February 7, 2013 by Skezza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt123roll Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Out of curiosity, if your car flies through the MOT no problem, who pays, you I assume?You shouldn't have to pay for an MOT retest (unless it fails of course) just because some copper finds out his wife is shagging his best mate behind his back and decides to go all arsey with every individual he meets.Yeah you pay, don't think you are refunded etc which is a joke. Best advice I think is to not give them a reason to pull you, drive safe etc. If your low with wheels poking out your arch/illegal hids etc there going to be more likely to pull you and hope they can do you for 3 bald tyres and no insurance as well as saying your car isn't roadworthy due to lows or excess poke.Unfortunately I've found the police are always right even when they are wrong. You will only ever win if you go to court and most people are scared at that thought so just give it and pay fines etc it's quite sad really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luppy Jack Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Out of curiosity, if your car flies through the MOT no problem, who pays, you I assume?You shouldn't have to pay for an MOT retest (unless it fails of course) just because some copper finds out his wife is shagging his best mate behind his back and decides to go all arsey with every individual he meets.yeah you have to pay for the privelege of the retest, good job mine only had about 3 months until it expired Yeah you pay, don't think you are refunded etc which is a joke. Best advice I think is to not give them a reason to pull you, drive safe etc. If your low with wheels poking out your arch/illegal hids etc there going to be more likely to pull you and hope they can do you for 3 bald tyres and no insurance as well as saying your car isn't roadworthy due to lows or excess poke.Unfortunately I've found the police are always right even when they are wrong. You will only ever win if you go to court and most people are scared at that thought so just give it and pay fines etc it's quite sad reallyTotally agree, but I can honestly say I do drive pretty sensibly my license is too valuable to me to drive like a dick My car is very oem, apart from the banded steels, aswell as maintained so not really any issues on that front. All my mods are declared, hence paying silly money to insurance a 1litre.I also get this feeling aswell bud! I've kept the pink ticket in my car so if I get stopped again after i've sorted the issue I shouldn't have any problems.who'd recommend flaring as opposed to camber or both?How much tyre wear should I expect with very small negative camber? (like I said driven sensibly so not much heavy cornering etc..)A little worried about losing the profile of the arch one the flaring starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) Yeah you pay, don't think you are refunded etc which is a joke. Best advice I think is to not give them a reason to pull you, drive safe etc. If your low with wheels poking out your arch/illegal hids etc there going to be more likely to pull you and hope they can do you for 3 bald tyres and no insurance as well as saying your car isn't roadworthy due to lows or excess poke.Unfortunately I've found the police are always right even when they are wrong. You will only ever win if you go to court and most people are scared at that thought so just give it and pay fines etc it's quite sad reallyThis is why I have little faith in the police nowadays. How times have changed eh? The police used to a trusted and respected industry, but they have gone right downhill in the last 30 years or so. When was the last time you saw a local bobby on the street? They are too busy nicking some 17 year old doing 36 in a 30.When dealing with the police nowadays, I know how little they care about me, as such I'm happy to show how much I care about them.Just remember the standard rule of British policing... 'police by consent'.This (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_definition_of_'policing_by_consent') means they are only allowed to do what you let them do (to a degree, it's not quite that black and white but it holds true for most non-serious issues). If they pull you over and ask you to get out the car, you have the right to ask "why" and they have to give you a reason. They are asking you to get out of the car, it is not an order. If they say "I'll tell you when you get out" you have the right to say "no, tell me now", they shouldn't force you unless they fully intend on arresting you afterwards. If they force you out, to then breathalyze you and you come back clean, they have actually broken their code of conduct.It's worth noting that they always ask, they rarely shout or order because of the this principal of 'policing by consent'. If they want me to get out of my car, they better give me a damn good reason. A while back, I was doing 60Mph in a 50 zone. To be honest, the signs aren't very clear so I didn't see it drop. I was pulled over and the officer told me "you do know you were doing 10Mph over the limit back there?". I didn't say "oh no, really, was I officer? I thought it was a 60 zone" because that gives him all he needs to write me a ticket... I've basically admitted it haven't I, even though he only has his judgement as proof. Unfortunately, people do that quite a lot and then just accept the ticket. I said "you sure about that? have you got a calibrated speed camera on your car then?", he said "no, but I was following you, you were doing 10 over, have you been drinking"... See? the focus has shifted from my speeding to my driving because he really has no evidence but he's scraping. I said "no, I haven't", he asked for a breath test which is a legal requirement so I happily went ahead with. As expected, the screen showed zero. He glumly told me to "you haven't been taking drugs have you" then quickly said "look, look, just be more careful from now on and to take care when driving at night, okay buddy?" (I sniggered when he called me buddy lol)Simple eh? I wish it was different, I really do, I'm not a criminal, I want to respect the police but I just can't right now. Edited February 8, 2013 by Skezza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koop Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Stick standard steels on for the MOT, sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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