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***SOLD*** 2003 VW Lupo 3L airco/cruise control/full options

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Make: Volkswagen
Model: Lupo 3L
MOT: January 2021
TAX: n/a
Engine size: 1191 cc
Fuel type: diesel
Description including modifications: see below
Location: Lelystad, the Netherlands
Images: see below
Price: £2,250 obo



In brief
2003 VW Lupo 3L
1,191 cc 3-cylinder turbodiesel
Robotised semi automatic 5-speed gearbox
Left hand drive (Mainland Europe only model)
Curb weight 829 kg
MOT tested until the 3rd of February 2021
Both keys are present
Non-smokers car
Odometer reads 377,404 km (Lupo is still used occasionally so milage rises)
Full options (see list below)
Extensive service history with receipts to back this up

History
First registered in 2003 in Germany. Exported to the Netherlands in July 2010. I bought it in April 2014.

Since 2014 the Lupo has taken me to countries such as Germany, Luxembourg, England, Wales, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Poland and also the Czech Republic. Northern Spain in particular was a joy to cross (see photo at the deer statue).

The model number 3L stands for a diesel consumption of 3 liters per 100 kilometers. In reality, fuel consumption ranges from 3 to 5 liters per 100 kilometers, depending on wind, temperature and whether or not you are in a hurry.

Options
This model is equipped with all possible options that a 3L could be equipped with at the time.
- Air conditioning
- Central locking with remote control
- Electric windows
- Electric sliding / tilting roof
- Electric mirrors
- Front fog lights
- Heated seats
- Heated windscreen washers
- Heated wing mirrors
- Parcel shelf (was also an option!)
- Power steering
- Remote Alarm
- Seat airbags

Modifications
Since purchase in April 2014, various madifications have been made, such as replacing the gray interior with a fresh red / gray interior, installing headrests in the rear seat, installing cruise control and remapping the engine with improved software (see photo power graph).

The remap has upped the power from 63 hp/145 Nm to 91 hp/210 Nm, making it a nippy motorway flyer.

Service
Over the years, extensive maintenance has been carried out, with no shortcuts in quality. All services receipts are present, as well as the fuel receipts, photos and all kinds of documents related to this Lupo. Except of its service history: gearbox rebuild by 3L specialists Ecomotive, cat delete downpipe installed by 3L specialists JB Autoservice, periodic transmission base settings (carried out every 15,000 km instead of the recommended 30,000 km!) by 3L specialists EJR Autotechniek. Engine oil is changed every 15,000 km with Castrol Edge Professional Longlife III FST 5W-30 fully synthetic.

Small niggles
The Lupo shows age-conform signs of wear. There is a scratch on the passenger side front wing and a dent in the passenger side sill. Oil consumption is about 1 liter at 2,000 miles. The timing belt needs replacing. The drivers side door catch is defective. Drivers side seat heating lower section does not work. The sliding/tilting roof needs adjusting because it may leak. Power steering occasionally throws an error code.

Bits
Also for sale:
4 original magnesium alloy 3L wheels with Michelin Alpin winter tyres   £150
1 original magnesium alloy 3L wheel   £25
2 used Bridgestone tyres   £20 for the pair
1 bespoke MDF ported and carpeted subwoofer enclosure, suitable for 15” subwoofer   £35
1 set original VW Lupo roof rack with 2 sets of keys and mounting hardware   £50
1 set original folding rear windows   £60
1 used original 3L r/h aluminium alloy front wing in matching colour (no damage)   £30
1 used Lupo 3L engine (designation AYZ) including ancillaries (± 220.000 km)   £300


Please do contact me if you're interested. Car is in Lelystad, the Netherlands and can be transported to the UK at a reasonable fee.
 

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Has the chain been replaced (and tensioner)?

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On 3/19/2020 at 3:24 PM, Niek said:

The timing belt needs replacing.

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This should answer your question. 👍🏼

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1 hour ago, weslangdon said:

Silly money, get a 1.4 TDI

Agreed, looks like wrong bootlid as well.

Mk2 meant the oil pump / balance shaft chain not the timing belt btw....

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Yeah, oil pump chain. They only last 200k km. 150k miles. Design life. The nylon friction pads don't last. 

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2 hours ago, Sausage said:

Agreed, looks like wrong bootlid as well.

Only early 3L's (from 2000 and 200) came with the weird shape bootlid.

After that, they came with the standard one :)

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The early one is made of pressed magnesium I think. I'd like to see how magnesium is pressed. It is a very stiff unyielding material. But lightweight. :)

 

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13 hours ago, mk2 said:

The early one is made of pressed magnesium I think. I'd like to see how magnesium is pressed. It is a very stiff unyielding material. But lightweight. :)

 

Burns well too

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18 hours ago, mk2 said:

Yeah, oil pump chain. They only last 200k km. 150k miles. Design life. The nylon friction pads don't last. 

one of these?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SWAG-Oil-Pump-Timing-Chain-SET-Fits-AUDI-A2-SEAT-SKODA-VW-1-2-1-4L-045115230A/162597172937?fits=Car+Make%3AVW|Model%3ALupo&hash=item25db8bf6c9:g:s6AAAOSw6WJeMYzj#vi-ilComp 

 

 

 

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Yup. That's the one. "Suggested" that they're changed at 200k km. Quite a big job from what I've read on the A2 forum. Parts relatively cheap though :)

 

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Oil pump chain was replaced at 240,000 km. Tacho reads 377,xxx km now, so the chain has done less than 140,000 km.
You're right about the oil chain layout, this isn't the best of designs. 🤨  Parts are cheap indeed, but replacing the chain is quite labour intensive.

 

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On 3/20/2020 at 5:28 PM, weslangdon said:

Silly money, get a 1.4 TDI

This 3L blows a 1.4 TDI into the weeds. 😎

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21 hours ago, mk2 said:

The early one is made of pressed magnesium I think. I'd like to see how magnesium is pressed. It is a very stiff unyielding material. But lightweight. :)

 

Lightweight indeed. Have not compared this to a steel bootlid, but seeing as the alloy bootlid requires different gas struts I'd imagine it's a fair bit lighter.

 

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Why is it using so much oil? 0.25L oil for every tank of fuel. Have you checked compression? Is turbo leaking a little?

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18 hours ago, mk2 said:

Why is it using so much oil? 0.25L oil for every tank of fuel. Have you checked compression? Is turbo leaking a little?

 

Turbo was replaced by a new one. Made no difference. Compression not checked but going by the power output, this must be okay. I've had several VW diesel specialists look into it but they were unable to give a definitive answer. Seeing as oil consumption hasn't increased over time, it is a bit of a head scratcher.

Bought a replacement engine just in case, but never needed it.

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Do you think it'd be possible to change it ti RHD? I've converted a mk2 golf, which was easy. I'm trying to think what you'd need to use from a regular lupo, from a GTI and what is impossible...

electric steering would swap over

heating system from a regular lupo

pedal box from a regular automatic?

wipers from a regular lupo

steering rack from a regular or maybe gti?

brakes, swap over servo and/or use gti as a donor for pipes

lights from any uk lupo

cluster from a uk car, with some custom alterations? Tricky.

 

what have i missed?

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Tough call, this. I'm familiar with Vauxhall Novas and I know quite a few lads who converted theirs to RHD. That said, a Nova is heaps less complicated than a Lupo so converting Lupo will pose a few challenges.

Let me see...

Power steering column, RHD dashboard, modified (lengthened) wiring loom, auto pedal box, RHD wiper mechanism, RHD rack and pinion, (GT)  brake servo and pipes, lights, electric wing mirrors.

Looks like an engine out job to me. Much better access to stuff hidden low in the engine bay. 😎👍🏼

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On 3/21/2020 at 7:54 PM, Niek said:

This 3L blows a 1.4 TDI into the weeds. 😎

Mine Arosa is remapped & is substantially swifter than a standard TDi so I doubt that. What is far quicker again is fitting a 1.9 tdi motor to the car.

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What I find really interesting about this car/project is that the auto shifting is still enabled. So even though it has about 50% more power, my guess is that the car behaves completely normally. But how the hell do you map a car that has planned shift points after it has more power- in a manual box. With an auto box, you can map in new shift points in the gearbox controller. And thinking about it- the 085 box it comes with is not really suitable for TDI power, which is why they used the bigger box for TDIs... This thing is a monster. I love it! Sadly, I just don't need any more Lupos to add to my collection right now.

@battlebus fitted the equivalent of the 1.9 TDI into his SDI. Too powerful apparently.... I wonder if his 085 gearbox is still good.

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The box allows for manual shifting which lets you sit in one gear, provided you don't use kick down. The power run (see dyno printout) was done in 4th gear.

JB autoservice (renowned vw diesel specialist in the North of the Netherlands, lots of 3L knowledge) once tuned a 3L to about 105 bhp. Box was converted to manual, higher capacity injectors, bigger turbo, the works. Tuneko, the hypermiling lad from Finland (visit his YouTube channel for a laugh and some good old Finnish common sense) had a fairly similar setup in his Lupo 2L. You read that right - two litre. He did some really trick mods on his Lupo.

105ish bhp must be the limit on an 085 box, because as we all know these are made of chocolate. Apparently the bellhousing is different to other boxes, so swapping to a stronger box is not really an option.

 

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2L for 100km. Yeah, at what speed? 3L is at 100km/h I think.

That is very impressive though.

It is very difficult tuning diesel engines. Petrol is so much easier. The problems I've always found is that the diesel mix burns too fast without doing any work, when the airflow increases, and instantaneous compression goes up. With petrol, you just delay ignition. If you delay injection (ignition) on a diesel, you run out of cam pump time, and then quantity. Unless you can vary the cam timing dynamically. It's one of the reasons I like VE pump based injection. You can buy different pump cam profiles. And bigger plunger distribution pistons.

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22 hours ago, mk2 said:
22 hours ago, mk2 said:

2L for 100km. Yeah, at what speed? 3L is at 100km/h I think.

That is very impressive though.

 

2L @ 100 km/h average (!) gps speed.

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Wow. I want to know more. Lots more.

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