Clouseau Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 i dont think any lupo gti has gone wrong from belt/tensioner problems. there were polo problems i heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazilbrush Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 My cam belt is being changed this Friday [41,000] the price I have been quoted is £299 do you think that includes the water pump change as well, does the water pump get changed at the same time they should know this right? style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> One of the posts above about cam belt change is ok until 63K, My last lupo 1.4 nearly went at about 33,000 to 39,000 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry2:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" /> it just got caught in time I think it’s just down to luck but there definitely without a shadow of a doubt a bad design there or we would not be talking about it. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clouseau Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 My cam belt is being changed this Friday [41,000] the price I have been quoted is £299 do you think that includes the water pump change as well, does the water pump get changed at the same time they should know this right? style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> One of the posts above about cam belt change is ok until 63K, My last lupo 1.4 nearly went at about 33,000 to 39,000 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry2:" border="0" alt="angry.gif" /> it just got caught in time I think it’s just down to luck but there definitely without a shadow of a doubt a bad design there or we would not be talking about it. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />waterpump is not a service item so will never get replaced unless it goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottgroovez Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 For the cost of a water pump you may as well get it replaced at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heckels Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 "in the voice of Troy McClure" Hi my name is Mark - you may remember me from previous threads such as 'How do you lower a car' and 'Can I change the windscreen wipers myself?'.I've got another mechanically inept question to ask regarding this thread.What is a cambelt - what does it do - and what happens if it breaks???Can't tell if mine has ever been changed from the service book & I'm on 73k currently. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottgroovez Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 (edited) A cambelt is a belt that goes round the crank pulley, cam pulley, water pump pulley and any other ancillaries that are driven from the same belt. Basically it's what drives the cam in the head to open and close the valves. If it breaks then there's a big possibility that the pistons will hit the valves, bending them in the process. It's a costly breakdown especially as there's 16 valves which may need replacing.If you're unsure, get it checked out. You really don't want it snapping. Edited May 23, 2007 by scottgroovez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 "in the voice of Troy McClure" Hi my name is Mark - you may remember me from previous threads such as 'How do you lower a car' and 'Can I change the windscreen wipers myself?'.I've got another mechanically inept question to ask regarding this thread.What is a cambelt - what does it do - and what happens if it breaks???Can't tell if mine has ever been changed from the service book & I'm on 73k currently. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" />Gets called in the service book a toothed belt, see if you've got a tick on one of the previous services, you should have, and you'll need another one pretty soon too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Heckels Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 cheers chaps - much appreciated for your help.I've got the car in next weekend for the elec windows breaking & a funny metalic crunch when I start it, so i'll see about the cam belt as well.Again, many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiimmy Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 had mine done today on 29k as the car is nearly 5 years old...........got a service, MOT and cambelt done for £419 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clouseau Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 mine will cost at garage labour cambelt/tensioner change £80oil/filter change £5fuel filter change £5partsbelt kit £46oil filter £2.50fuel filter £5.50oil £23 castrol competition spec.+vat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aruffell Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Every 60k miles, ws told by Midland VW and my local VW too.Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Every 60k miles, ws told by Midland VW and my local VW too.AndyWell I was told its every 40k by my local VW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picola Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Every 60k miles, ws told by Midland VW and my local VW too.AndyWas this recently? As it has changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) i dont think any lupo gti has gone wrong from belt/tensioner problems. there were polo problems i heard.I beg to differ...............as mine is one that had the tensioner let go and nearly jumped the belt. Trust me when l tell you it's not a Polo specific problem. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Edited May 24, 2007 by Poobah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aruffell Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Was this recently? As it has changed5 days ago or so.Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt~black Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 A cambelt is a belt that goes round the crank pulley, cam pulley, water pump pulley and any other ancillaries that are driven from the same belt. Basically it's what drives the cam in the head to open and close the valves. If it breaks then there's a big possibility that the pistons will hit the valves, bending them in the process. It's a costly breakdown especially as there's 16 valves which may need replacing.If you're unsure, get it checked out. You really don't want it snapping.in even simpler terms it keeps the top and bottom of the engine in time so the vulves dont go down at the same time as the pistons come up and come into contact with eachother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmacs Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 timingbelt kitjust bought my kit from here, £46, thats half the price from vw.Many Thanks for the tip. I ordered the kit from the site and it has all the necessary tensioners and relay rollers, even the VW kit does not have the second belt relay roller! This kit is made by Continental and all the parts are German made so I'm sure it will be ok.I bought the belts, tensioner and relay roller from Euro Car Parts and then realised they do not stock the secondary belt realy roller and tensioner. I returned the parts to Euro Car Parts Glasgow branch and they charged me a 10% handling charge!! Members be warned, if you buy a part from Euro Car Parts and need to return it they will charge you a handling charge. Pity, I was going to buy discs and brake pads and water pump etc but I will buy them somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clouseau Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Many Thanks for the tip. I ordered the kit from the site and it has all the necessary tensioners and relay rollers, even the VW kit does not have the second belt relay roller! This kit is made by Continental and all the parts are German made so I'm sure it will be ok.I bought the belts, tensioner and relay roller from Euro Car Parts and then realised they do not stock the secondary belt realy roller and tensioner. I returned the parts to Euro Car Parts Glasgow branch and they charged me a 10% handling charge!! Members be warned, if you buy a part from Euro Car Parts and need to return it they will charge you a handling charge. Pity, I was going to buy discs and brake pads and water pump etc but I will buy them somewhere else.i got my performance drilled and grooved discs front and rear from that site also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 If I can find the letter, I'll scan it & post it up.Did you manage to find the letter Nicki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elajf1 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 VW's change to the interval was to save there embarasment with the plastic/nylon tensioners exploding! normally the engine will not suffer detremental damage as the belt shouldnt fly off it if a tensioner fails, i say it shouldnt but dont take my word!The plastic tensioners are made from nylon, they are brittle, yes....... BUT they are good for about 70K miles. my cars never had the belts done since it was bought, im the second owner and my loop is now on 63K. JohnI second what you are saying about the change of service intervals. The cambelt was going on my lupo sport, I took it into VW to have a service done and they confirmed that the tensioner had exploded and the remains of it had very nearly cut through the belt. I was lucky with it but had a huge battle with VW argueing that the tensioner should not have shattered and that it was a manufacturing defect.I spent most of the day on and off the phone to the dealership and a good hour argueing with the service manager when I went to pick it up. In the end they halved my bill as a gesture of goodwill and I have the defect parts so I can take the issue up with VW directly. If my Zetec fiesta managed fine until 100k miles (ford recommendation) then I don't see how VW, running the same basic belt and tensioner setup, have to change them every 40K miles. Sounds very much like a design/manufacturing defect to me. Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Sounds very much like a design/manufacturing defect to me. AdrianThats exactly what it is.VW thought the tensioner would last 60k.They then changed it to 40k.Defenatly not something they were expecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elajf1 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Thats exactly what it is.VW thought the tensioner would last 60k.They then changed it to 40k.Defenatly not something they were expectingI that case, its more fuel for the fire with my letter to them. Lets see if I can't get the other half other cost of the labour/parts refunded too.Adrian style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clouseau Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 if vw think there is a problem with lupo tensioners they should fix it free of charge.aside from that what i dont understand is if the tensioners are defected then why are good tensioners not used as replacements? if they fit good ones the recommended service schedule would read:1st change 40k miles and from then on every 60k miles.why have they changed it to every 40k miles if there is nothing wrong with the tensioners anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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