lunalupi Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 On the news tonight, a report on road charging.Now I'll admit to not listening totally (interesting posts on clublupo were distracting me), but this subject always gets my back up style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad.gif" /> I pay road tax, fuel tax, road tolls, keep my car serviced so its not coughing out soot and polution....and now they want to charge me for being on the road too.Let me tell you Mr Tony Blair, I will not be doing as you suggest and using public transport until there is actually deecent transport to take.A bus into the centre of town (5 mins in my car) costs me £4 and can take 30 minutes.To get to uni at leicester (2 1/2 hours) I have to take three different trains, taking me over 5 hours in total, to a train station which has sporadic links to my uni, so lets add at least an hour for that making it 6 hours at least.This does not make me want to take public transport, especially since I just went to america where the bus arrived when it was meant to, cost $1.50 anywhere and took barely any time at all. And that in a country which loves its cars.At least this isn't expected for at least a decade, but once its arrives, I'm off. I'll go pay my taxes to a country which actually does something with them rather than pay MPs who don't do anything nice big salaries style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad.gif" /> Excuse the rant style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> just needed to get it out of my system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one litre wonder ;) Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 in richard hammonds words , " the point the government dont seem to get is that the reason why we have congestion , is because we all need to be at the same place at the same time"that as well as there busy saying , oh use public transport . the only bus that leaves where i am to town where i go to uni is at 8.45am , and at rush hour it takes 45mins to get to town which is useless to get into town for 9 . then that means i need to take the car cause its the only option i have left ARGH!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_want_a_GTI Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 i feel the same amount of anger, England is in my opinion a proper ***** country, and its just getting worst every single day.goto australia, i hear from a couple of relations tht i can expect almost double the amount of money for the job i do plus the price of living is estimated at just over half of what it is here. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunalupi Posted May 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I don't know where to go yet - I was thinking canada as I have lots of friends and relations over there. the job i want to do I reckon i could do anywhere with a phone and internet connection style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />Calming down now, its not being brought in tommorrow..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one litre wonder ;) Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 petrol in oz is apparently on 47 or 49p a litre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Instead of making public transport better, they make driving your car harder, with speed bumps, one-way systems, no right turns, etc. It takes me about 20 minutes to drive to uni every day, which costs me around £3 at the most, there and back. I once didn't have my car, I had to walk 10 minutes to the train station, wait over 30 minutes for a train, and once off the train had another 10 minute walk to get another bus to have another 10 minute walk home. In all it took almost 2 and a half hours and cost me well over £3 one way. Why on earth would I want to use public transport? It's even worse when more people are included. In a car, it costs roughly the same amount of money to carry one person as it does 5, on a bus or train it's 5 times as much.As soon as they make public transport that is cheap, on time, and practical, then I will start commuting to Uni, until then, my Lupo stays for Uni trips. Why can't Tony and his Cronies realise this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I don't know where to go yet - I was thinking canadaI was thinking of Canada myself!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putney Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Well you lot voted them in! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":coffee:" border="0" alt="coffee.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 goto australia, i hear from a couple of relations tht i can expect almost double the amount of money for the job i do plus the price of living is estimated at just over half of what it is here. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" />petrol in oz is apparently on 47 or 49p a litreWould you want to though, its full of Australians.Road charging is a touchy subject, I agree that if we are asked to pay another tax for driving a car then thats not on but if they didn't tax on this then it would just get added onto something else; alcohol, income tax, or raise the VAT.The money has to come from somewhere, if you really want to do something about it then sort out some of the people claiming benefits that cheat the system and all the other free government handouts that go out in the millions.Personally, I'd pay a bit of road charging if it meant that it was like US toll roads and these operated effectively, were empty and really did cut congestion. I'd also pay it if it meant that toll roads were unrestricted style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 You know they would be the same shitty roads though, I doubt paying for them would improve their quality.The extra money raised would just fund the stupid war in iraq, MP's pensions and pay benefits for illegal immigrants etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreno510 Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 MP's pensionsand don't forget that fat bast***d prescott is still getting paid for a job he isn't doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Well you lot voted them in! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":coffee:" border="0" alt="coffee.gif" />You mean the 22% of the electorate that voted for Labour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 you're forgetting the VAT on buying a car, and buying petrol... so we're already taxed FIVE TIMES for driving (road tax, fuel tax, insurance tax, vat on car, vat on fuel) style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 you're forgetting the VAT on buying a car, and buying petrol... so we're already taxed FIVE TIMES for driving (road tax, fuel tax, insurance tax, vat on car, vat on fuel) style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad.gif" />I refer you to the lyrics of Taxman (The Beatles), "It's 1 for you, 19 fo Me"....Cliff 'em all that's my attitude to these parasites... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Thing is though we get this lot out, someone else comes in, the motorists may not lose out so much but we're bound to in some way or another.All the political parties are as bad as each other if you ask me. We're always in a no win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 To get to uni at leicester (2 1/2 hours) I have to take three different trains, taking me over 5 hours in total, to a train station which has sporadic links to my uni, so lets add at least an hour for that making it 6 hours at least.But isn't it like a six hour journey twice every semester. It's not like you'd commute twelve hours a day? 6 hours to a University a few times a year doesn't seem that big a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_want_a_GTI Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Would you want to though, its full of Australians.haha, yeah but england is full of polish,asian,icelandic,russian, and well the list goes on, the worst thing is the majority sponge of our government and the taxes we pay.with aussies, at least they originated from the english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) with aussies, at least they originated from the englishWell they shouldn't have stolen a loaf of bread style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Edited May 11, 2006 by aberdeen_dj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one litre wonder ;) Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Well you lot voted them in! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":coffee:" border="0" alt="coffee.gif" />no i didnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I vote..... Crusoe for PM(only reason it's him is because he's the name after mine in the 'users reading this topic' thing... style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 We already pay more if we use our vehicles more and are further penalised if the vehicle is thirsty through the VAT and fuel tax already imposed. On the other hand, I've been of the opinion that, if spent properly, road tax represents good value, even at £190 per year, and probably not actually cost effective to administer.If RFL was scrapped and replaced by a further tax on fuel, to break even on my £110 per year Lupo that takes 28 litres of juice per fortnight, they'll need to add 15ppl (yes the Government get enough already, but they aren't going to reduce the existing fuel tax are they?). That would develop the RFL into a true tax by use and encourage a shift into more fuel efficient vehicles.Then only issue insurance with a valid MOT certificate, and display a little ticket in your windscreen from them.A doddle (insurance industry throw hands in air, complain and put premiums up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) couldn't be any worse than the current PM, increase speed limits, remove speed cameras, increase the number of traffic police and enforce the law on poor driving and parking. force slackers back to work, reduce unemployment tax credit things but increase for those who really need it. Have to reapply every year for all benefits etc. Free dentists, eye tests and grants for students Edited May 11, 2006 by Crusoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted May 11, 2006 Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 Like the manifesto Crusoe, except the student bit. Education after 16 is a personal choice. 16-18 education should be compulsory in my opinion, but after that, you're on your own. In fact, it should be "if you don't use it, you don't pay for it" for everything. Nice and simple.Tory, moi? No, I like to think of myself as an ordinary bloke with uncomplicated needs and why should I bail out those who lead complicated lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMon Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 The biggest problem at the moment is (understandable) voter apathy. None of 'em are worth voting for if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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