Moose Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I'm trying to decide between these two for my next daily runner. Went to look at a Sport TDi at a dealership over the weekend but annoyingly someone had put a deposit on it that morning so I couldn't test drive it Anyway, I used to have a Polo 16v so am pretty sure I know what the Sport 16v will be like, but just don't know what the TDi will be like.Does anyone have the following details for both 16v and TDi (and maybe for a chipped one too ):- 0 to 60- 30 to 70 (through the gears)- suspension details (are they the same for both)?cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
academic Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=1036some useful info on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 The suspension is the same on both the TDi and the petrol sport. Ok these are brochure figures:Petrol:0-60 - 10 seconds TDI:0-60 - 12 seconds. 30-70 - 7.6 seconds. (from VW Driver mag) You can do 70 in third, just! 7.8 seconds in 4th from 30-70. SO really good enough in 4th, no need to threash a diesel really. TDI TDI TDI TDI TDI TDI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyA Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I have had a Sport and TSO has a TDI, tbh I've I had the choice again, id get a TDI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 The suspension is the same on both the TDi and the petrol sport. Ok these are brochure figures:Petrol:0-60 - 10 seconds TDI:0-60 - 12 seconds. 30-70 - 7.6 seconds. (from VW Driver mag) You can do 70 in third, just! 7.8 seconds in 4th from 30-70. SO really good enough in 4th, no need to threash a diesel really. TDI TDI TDI TDI TDI TDI To quote the autocar review of the 1.4 petrol sport - 1.4 petrol sport 0-60 8.8 seconds (since your quoting 30-70s out of a mag) lolPetrol sports are about revs the extract the power, TDI's are more relaxed by nature. I'd say test drive them both and see which one you prefer, I'm guessing the sport is pretty similar to the polo 16V (the engines the same) but the polo 16V (6n1) was a bit lighter I think, so in the lupo the performance might be blunted a little. Petrols have rear discs and a central exhaust on top of TDI spec. However having said all of this. I'd sway for a TDI but thats because ive had enough of my sport now and fancy something different! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTDI Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 love my TDI, same asd cardaft old faithful me thinks if i ever get bored i let the turbo please me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) To quote the autocar review of the 1.4 petrol sport - 1.4 petrol sport 0-60 8.8 seconds (since your quoting 30-70s out of a mag) lol If we're being exact about things, VW Driver recorded a figure of 11.2 seconds to 60 for the TDI.To quote from the same TDI article - "It was the in-gear acceleration from 30 to 50 and 50 to 70 which really impressed us, the figures being comparable with those for a Golf GTi"But as Pete says, drive both and see which one suits you the best. They are very different cars and really suit different needs, if your doing a lot of miles id go for the TDi, but if you wanting a pure fun thrash then the petrol. But the TDi has more potental and is still great fun to drive. Id find it really difficult to go back to a petrol now, the TDi has so much torque its amasing how effortless it makes driving. Ive been driving a 1.6 petrol car for a few days now and its quick when you work the engine but its pretty gutless compared to my TDI, no low down pull as you expect from a petrol, but its something i really miss. Edited March 17, 2008 by cardaft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conuk Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 But the TDi has more potental and is still great fun to drive. Id find it really difficult to go back to a petrol now,As I came from Scooby STi .... to BMW 328i... to Lupo TDi....after putting up with a bit of stick.... `Look Con... somebodys just ran off with ya Lupo..... Wind took it yet......Is that Tom and Jerry on ya seats ?!` kind of comment.... I can actually say I ENJOY driving it home !Everybody who has looked at it has been impressed... then when we went out for a meal the other night - 4 of us were in it.... and it drove really nicely.Dont think Ill ever go back to petrol now - as the way the country is going ... insurance costs.... fuel cost.... .tax costs..... Im really happy with the loop for driving to work.Aint even missed the boot space yet to be honest - the shopping fits in there with the seats down ... the Vibe box just fits in so all is well - and cant believe how the factory stereo sounds with just 2 speakers and tweeters in the front ! Although this is getting changed to my Alpine etc.But like the above said - drive them both and make a choice.Just my little 2p worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_273 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) The suspension is the same on both the TDi and the petrol sport.I thought the sport was more rolly You really need to do a test drive, they are very different as the above comments suggest. Edited March 17, 2008 by jon_273 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I thought the sport was more rolly You really need to do a test drive, they are very different as the above comments suggest.Maybe it is, the TDI might have stiffer prings i dont know. I was just meaning ride height wise really. But no the TDi doesnt roll too much, the 1.4S and Sport are suposed to be the worst for body roll. Unlike the Arosa sport which is supposed to be slightly lower than the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conuk Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Maybe it is, the TDI might have stiffer prings i dont know. I was just meaning ride height wise really. But no the TDi doesnt roll too much, the 1.4S and Sport are suposed to be the worst for body roll. Unlike the Arosa sport which is supposed to be slightly lower than the rest.Previous owner fitted the Cup Kit to my Loop. Really reminds me of the Mini when I first drove it ...... Point it and it stears there - suspension seems mint really and no body roll now - not sure what it was like before hand - A little bumpy on rough roads but liveable.Anyways off out now with my mechanic mate and his Mrs... he apparently knows somebody who does remaps - wanting that done. 100bhp in this thing should be even better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) Thanks for your input all. The 0 - 60 of the TDi is a little disappointing being as though my Polo (6n1) could do it in under 9 seconds, but the 30 - 70 is impressive. 7.6 seconds is pretty quick! (you sure that's for a standard one? Any idea what a chipped one does?)I do nearly 15,000 miles a year and my daily commute is about 60% on the motorway, so the TDi could be the one to go for (putting my sensible head on). Thing is, I just loved reving the nuts of my Polo on the other 40% (mainly A & B roads). Above 4000rpm it was pretty quick and sounded good too, with a full stainless exhaust.I really need to find a TDi locally so I can try one out. Last thing I want is something that feels too slow Edited March 17, 2008 by Moose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 To quote the autocar review of the 1.4 petrol sport - 1.4 petrol sport 0-60 8.8 seconds (since your quoting 30-70s out of a mag) lolThat sums up why the 16V Sport seems quicker than they are. Maybe the 10.0 second quote was from a Lupo with a shagged gearbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Usually the true 0-60 of a car is slightly less than in brochures. Just like a cars top speed is usually always more than in the stats too. Thats because that is over a set distance i think, given more room it possibly will go faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 manifold*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Maybe it is, the TDI might have stiffer prings i dont know. I was just meaning ride height wise really. But no the TDi doesnt roll too much, the 1.4S and Sport are suposed to be the worst for body roll. Unlike the Arosa sport which is supposed to be slightly lower than the rest.Could be the slightly heavier engine putting more loading on the springs and hence giving the car less play on the suspension, and hence less roll. (if the springs are the same) I've heard the mk2 arosa sport has the same springs as the gti, don't know the truth in that though.The petrol sport has comedy roll, its not short on grip though given it has such a small wheelbase, but that probably goes for any lupo with standard alloys. I think to be fair eibach springs would be an ideal upgrade for any lupo, as they are not race firm like coilovers but just tighten things up a little (from what i've heard - although my lupos untouched). Depends what you want, lupo sport is good at anything over 4500 revs, but it gets a little tiresome. TDI is much more relaxed performance, and I think thats what i'd like next.Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 TDI is much more relaxed performance, and I think thats what i'd like next.PetePoof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Poof. lol So is a Golf GTI mk5 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001gti Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 if its a daily runner then the TDI would be my choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 lol So is a Golf GTI mk5 though Yep, they are too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenson Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 i can imagine the tdi is much better for curising on the motorway and miles better for MPG, but as for performance, you mention the rolly handling of the sport and i totally agree, thats why i had coilovers less than a month after purchase.my friend hs the polo 16v 100bhp mentioned earlier, and my sport pisses all over it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fow Vay Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 my friend hs the polo 16v 100bhp mentioned earlier, and my sport pisses all over it!!Agreed. I had a Lupo Sport and someone else in the family had a Polo Sport - same power but hugely noticeable difference in performance (obviously down to the fact that the Polo is considerably heavier). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 (edited) Agreed. I had a Lupo Sport and someone else in the family had a Polo Sport - same power but hugely noticeable difference in performance (obviously down to the fact that the Polo is considerably heavier).What about the Polo 6n1 16v with a 1.4 16V 100ps:I'm not certain, but I think that may be a little lighter than either the Lupo or polo 6n2 sport. Certainly its down to power to weight ratio! Edited March 30, 2008 by Petes 16V Sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenson Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 that is the car i am talking about, my friend has it in black. we have raced many a time, and his car is noway quicker than mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartagram Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 (edited) Diesels are quick and economical but they just aren't as fun to drive as a revvy petrol lump imo.Its like brown and white bread. You know browns better, but you still want white. Edited March 31, 2008 by heartagram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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