Dark Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 remap ecu is impossible to see by police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) ...but not too the insurance co. when you kill three kids at a bus stop and write your car off.R Edited April 4, 2008 by Silver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 ok this is my opinion, but even if you drive into a line of 12 prams in a row filled with twin babies. not even a team of NASA crash investigators would be able to find that the vw seimens gti ecu has been remapped. jesus. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) I always assumed an insurance investigator or a VAGCom tech would be able to tell if an ECU had been modified.Obviously there would have to be a reason for them to examine the car and interrogate the ECU, but a young driver and a 3 x death, or 12 24 x plus parents, (assuming parents were with the prams) in your example, claim/payout would warrant an intense investigation by the insurer and SOCO.I worked for the police a few years back and I seen cars being examined by SOCO and Insurance Inspectors for a lot less.Ray Edited April 4, 2008 by Silver! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) did they examine the memory address files on the ECU rom?i dont think even if the president of America got hit and killed would they ever download the contents of a car ECU just for insurance purposes, the causes and motives of the accident would clearly be separate and more easily deducible.i may have over egged my 1st point about nasa investigators, i guess any ecu specialist could get the information. but my second point is more logical. it just would never get investigated. so claire you may like to be better safe than sorry, but i wouldnt be concerned about it. Edited April 4, 2008 by Dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I always assumed......being the key words here, meaning that I thought; not that I was correct.You obviously on the otherhand obviously do know what you are talking about, so Claire; buy his modified ECU and you'll be as safe as Apollo 13 or Jean Charles de Menezer or...Tara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted April 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Cheers for that boys, your help has been greatly er...recieved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 ...being the key words here, meaning that I thought; not that I was correct.You obviously on the otherhand obviously do know what you are talking about, so Claire; buy his modified ECU and you'll be as safe as Apollo 13 or Jean Charles de Menezer or...Tara. i was interested to hear your points aswell.yeah i would definitely recommend my seimens for any lunar exploration. i was trying to make that innuendo but it needs a little something. ( i didnt say uranus ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyA Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) I guess you could always say the original was fault, and you replaced with a secondhand unit which was remapped, unbeknown to you.That is, if there was ever a problem. Edited April 4, 2008 by matt a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiea7x Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 or deny all knowledge of the ecu being changed at all?cos i mean if u bought the car and didnt know it had been mapped how would you ever know? unless you have driven other standard gti's which majority of folk havent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 is the car still under warrenty? if not (from personal experience of my local stealer) i'd avoid VW all together they are out to rip you off and usually dont have a clue and wont explain anything and cant be arsed to helpget yourself to a decent specialist whos willing to take the time to look into the problem and offer proper advice, someones whos as passionate about dubs as you are.good luck, hope shes sorted soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I'll have to read up about warranties etc, i doubt it coz hes 02 plate so he's getting on a bit bless him...Hows about i try cleaning the throttle body? Ive heard that can be quite a mirricle little cure, what should i used to clean it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I'll have to read up about warranties etc, i doubt it coz hes 02 plate so he's getting on a bit bless him...Hows about i try cleaning the throttle body? Ive heard that can be quite a mirricle little cure, what should i used to clean it? I used some wynn's carburettor cleaner from halfords, pretty sure its this stuff but in a purple spray canhttp://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...ategoryrn_58757I would be doubtful if I was told the ECU was fried, they are designed to take much worse conditions than they could possibly see in a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 ...but not too the insurance co. when you kill three kids at a bus stop and write your car off.RInsurance company can not tell if a ECU has been reworked, neither can VW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Also, an ECU either works or doesn't.If the EPC light is on, and the brake light switch is not cured it, have they checked the wiring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 ^ Sort of. My hight level is disconnected at the mo coz im waiting for some help in the form of Daddy with a soldering iron My connector has completely rusted away so ive got a new one to stick on and plug in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Id get the wiring checked, it could be a back feed causing the error to come up.I take it your brake light is sealed with no water ingress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I hope so, i changed it about 2 weekends ago. the old seal was ****ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 (edited) Remap's can always be detected as modified EEPROM values can be detected but as Tigz says dealerships will not have the ability to do this. Edited April 5, 2008 by Lee_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I don't quite understand why people couldn't find out whether an ECU had been remapped if they wanted to.Surely its just stored data on a chip which if extracted and compared to standard one would give different readings.I'm not saying they do check, or its easy to check, but its definately possible that if they wanted to they could? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 When my car 'caught' fire, VW sent over two enginners from Germany.Even they were unable to check the ECU was unmodified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted April 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Just incase people dont read the whole thread: Welcome to the fight about mapped ECUs. We are currently trying to decide weather you can detect if and ecu has been mapped or not. Currently, the votes are swaying in the favour of not. However, this does NOT give you a licence to cheat on your insurance and not declare that the car has been tweaked. Fibbing on your insurance is silly and very naughty m'kay.See? Even the bimbo of CL can be sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 hmm its still discretionary. if you have a sticker from the garage telling you when your next service is due, that counts as a modification, and insurance would be void in a claim. if you have a drunk yob key your car with a scratch in the paintwork, thats a modification and insurance would be void in a claim. any changes from standard need to be declared. slightly different tyre valve cap... void. the only reason its not seen as an issue is down to the insurance companies not being an arse and voiding all claims, which they could if they wanted to. having a mapped ecu is no more morally wrong than having an air freshner inside the car. both are modifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 hmm its still discretionary. if you have a sticker from the garage telling you when your next service is due, that counts as a modification, and insurance would be void in a claim. if you have a drunk yob key your car with a scratch in the paintwork, thats a modification and insurance would be void in a claim. any changes from standard need to be declared. slightly different tyre valve cap... void. the only reason its not seen as an issue is down to the insurance companies not being an arse and voiding all claims, which they could if they wanted to. having a mapped ecu is no more morally wrong than having an air freshner inside the car. both are modifications.But the air freshener isnt a performance modification..... unless its one of those turbocharged air fresheners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 dark you talk out your arse some times lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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