Rudis Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Hey, for the last few weeks I was skimming through all the info I could find about making more power with the 3L, since the gearbox is shot in mine I was wondering if the manual swap and then turbo and injector upgrades were a realistic expectation while still driving the car on a daily, reliably and economically. Since there is a lot of conflicting information I'm now wondering if it's just a dream. I would be aiming for at least 60kW but perfectly around 80. I have some good tuners around me, so the most important question I guess is: can the original engine and the 085 gearbox from the 1.4 handle that power reliably or is there another gearbox I should use for this cause? Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted September 27, 2023 Report Share Posted September 27, 2023 Anything is possible with a complete new map/program in the ECU. Reliability will suffer, thats all. Use the box from a 9n polo tdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Penguin Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 8:30 PM, Rudis said: Hey, for the last few weeks I was skimming through all the info I could find about making more power with the 3L, since the gearbox is shot in mine I was wondering if the manual swap and then turbo and injector upgrades were a realistic expectation while still driving the car on a daily, reliably and economically. Since there is a lot of conflicting information I'm now wondering if it's just a dream. I would be aiming for at least 60kW but perfectly around 80. I have some good tuners around me, so the most important question I guess is: can the original engine and the 085 gearbox from the 1.4 handle that power reliably or is there another gearbox I should use for this cause? Thanks for the help! Mine is a 1.4 tdi on a rebuilt gear box and has done 20k miles since a remap which pushed the bhp to between 100 and 110, big miles overall now as it is approaching 180k, but still as fast and as fuel efficient as ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted September 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 11:02 PM, mk2 said: Anything is possible with a complete new map/program in the ECU. Reliability will suffer, thats all. Use the box from a 9n polo tdi Do you by chance know the gearbox number/code? 58 minutes ago, The Penguin said: Mine is a 1.4 tdi on a rebuilt gear box and has done 20k miles since a remap which pushed the bhp to between 100 and 110, big miles overall now as it is approaching 180k, but still as fast and as fuel efficient as ever do you think it’s worth going all the way with manual gearbox, turbo, etc…. Or should i just go for a remap and be happy with a couple extra kW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Go for full manual 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Penguin Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 Yes for the gear box and remap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted October 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 Okay so manual is a must i see, but the the ecu question comes, from what i gathered audi had a 1,4tdi with vnt turbo is that the way to go or are there better options? Sorry for my ignorance first project yet 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted October 3, 2023 Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 Before starting anything, make sure you can find someone to change the ECU... If you run a 3L as a manual without changing the ECU software, many people simply leave the gear select connection in N. The car will function, but use lots of fuel and have low power. Software first. The rest is easy... 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted October 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 1 hour ago, mk2 said: Before starting anything, make sure you can find someone to change the ECU... If you run a 3L as a manual without changing the ECU software, many people simply leave the gear select connection in N. The car will function, but use lots of fuel and have low power. Software first. The rest is easy... 👍🏻 And I’m guessing there are no open source tunes? Either vag-tuning.com or i go to a local tuner and start from scratch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Correct. There is someone on the German Lupo Club .DE who knows a company that can remap a 3L into full manual mode- so there is a solution already. We don't have 3Ls in the UK, so not much use to us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Penguin Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 5:44 PM, Rudis said: Do you by chance know the gearbox number/code? do you think it’s worth going all the way with manual gearbox, turbo, etc…. Or should i just go for a remap and be happy with a couple extra kW? I would go for the manual gearbox and a remap, a remap on its own might overwhelm the auto box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted February 7 Author Report Share Posted February 7 Hey, so some time had passed. I haven't gotten to the upgrades yet, but my reverse gear isn't working any more and the rear drums are driving me crazy. I'm now thinking of converting them to discs and I was told that it should be doable with seat cordoba king pin, discs, and mk4 golf calipers. i will try to find a rear frame with discs already on first though . And simultaneously start collecting parts for the manual conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Pics please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted July 16 Author Report Share Posted July 16 Took me some time to reply, last time i did anything major was blocking off the rear drum cylinders since they would leak a week after being replaced and just today i managed to find a way to convert them to disc brakes, ordered lupo 6n2 gti stub axles with bearings, carriers and callipers for 180€ with shipping if anyone cares about that 😀 also i have removed all the carpets at this point and majority of the front panel since im getting ready to change the dreaded automatic. The gear lever, pedals clutch cable and the part that connects gear lever to the gearbox cost me only 60€ but i still haven't found anyone to remap the ecu. Also i removed the sunroof and did a very rough plexiglass job but i will redo that with a thicker piece. Hardest part was the form of my stub axles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 I do love those strange foreign drum brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigcraft Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 And the unusual rear silencer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted July 19 Author Report Share Posted July 19 From what i gathered the 3L had different, a lot harder but lighter drums and the pads should be different too and that must be the reason why mine went away in a week(handbrake in the corners in winter) and I’ve decided to just go all in with discs, I wont be throwing the drums away if anyone is interested in them anyway for that reason. As for the silencer i had no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted July 19 Report Share Posted July 19 That's a standard "walker brand" exhaust. Typical on diesel flavoured Lupos... One of my SDIs has the same. Much more flowy than petrol powered editions. Plus a bigger bore pipe as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted Tuesday at 03:24 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 03:24 PM Sooo, good news for you guys, lost attention for a moment and now im thinking of parting the Lupo out, I’m assuming some of you guys would be interested in lighter doors or boot lid or anything else it still has intact 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted Tuesday at 05:27 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:27 PM Steering wheel, clockspring and airbag if still nice!? What happened? Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted Tuesday at 05:29 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:29 PM I don't know the rules where you live, but that could be rebuilt... And you know how to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted Tuesday at 06:26 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:26 PM 50 minutes ago, mk2 said: I don't know the rules where you live, but that could be rebuilt... And you know how to do it. It could be, but it’s my daily and also I keep working on it meaning the work is never over because I don’t have enough time for it. I love it but a rebuild is only possible if I don’t have to build it back before leaving the garage. Also financially it’s not worth the risk, since a rebuild would cost around the price I paid for it whole… maybe keep it as a parts car since the body had very little rust all over. And as for the parts, the rubber on the wheel has some visible wear but nothing awful, paint is faded in places. And the tachometer is fully functional also the airbag is still in one piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted Tuesday at 06:29 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:29 PM Oh and for what happened was theres new asphalt it was just slightly wet and I happened to look down after starting to accelerate from a green light, didn’t notice cars stopping just after they started moving. Rather than releasing the brakes(ABS is off at the moment since there are no brakes) and avoiding him fully to the right I couldn’t manoeuvre and smashed at around 30km/h ;D. Quite a jump I had 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted Tuesday at 07:20 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:20 PM What's next ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudis Posted Wednesday at 05:06 AM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 05:06 AM I slept on it and Im leaning towards parting out anyway, will take pictures before just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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