stevie_wonder Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 were can i get throttle bodies for a lupo gti and how much do these cost and does the engine need remapped after they're fitted and what kind of gains can be seen from throttle bodies?much thanks stevie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vworks41 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 LINCOLNSHIRESLUPOGTI ran throttle bodies, have a look on his thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_wonder Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 ive had a look and its a very impressive 167bhp but it doesnt say how much they are i eventually found a thing called badger 5 but doesnt say a price and was his just running itb's or were there other mods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 You'll need programmable mapping of some description with TB's. How you choose to to that is upfor debate DIY/DTA EXP48 type. I'd go for a standalone DTA engine management system and a kit from Badger 5 but thats just me. To buy a complete set-up from Badger 5 l'd be suprised if you have much change from £2.5-3k once its up and running including mapping runs etc?As was said before, LINCOLNSHIRESLUPOGTI will be able to give you accurate costs. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Lincolnshire paid around £4k for his TB's I believe, he said the extra was worth it to have it looking like a factory install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Indeed. I know the Badger 5 kit including DTA is around £2500. Then unless you do it yourself you have fitting, set-up, consumables and RR time to add. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_wonder Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 seems like a really big jobby then but i think it'l be worth it when combined with my cams sports cat manifold and catback system got major plans for the wee lupo just need to get my budget sorted and i'l be laughing thanks for the help guys its amazing how it throttle bodies and a stand alone ecu made his car 167bhp tho didnt think they were that impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LupoJoe Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 thats madness, i worked out a price for my 106rallye (gti engine) and for a set of bike throttle bodies, an inlet made up by sandy brown, a standalone AND mapping it was going to come out at around 1300 and that set up usualy gives around 170bhp-180... if theres enough intrest ill give sandy a ring about inlet manifolds to see if he would be interested in making some for the lupo to fit bike throttle bodiesthey cost around £100 second hand off ebay and still give good gains/sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Bike throttle bodies are ****e for a car engine. They are designed to work with a high reving engine, not a car engine. Your better off using some old carbs and cutting them up. TBH the only reason why Darrens cost so much was down to him having everything done for him. You can to most of it yourself, it's not gonna cost more than £2000 to use propper equipment. I've spent less than half of that and that includes parts which I've now sold on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LupoJoe Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Bike throttle bodies are ****e for a car engine. They are designed to work with a high reving engine, not a car engine. Your better off using some old carbs and cutting them up. TBH the only reason why Darrens cost so much was down to him having everything done for him. You can to most of it yourself, it's not gonna cost more than £2000 to use propper equipment. I've spent less than half of that and that includes parts which I've now sold on!i know longer trumpets give more torque and shorter ones usualy mean more revs, but a LOT of people have seen good gains on 106 gti's with bike throttle bodies, there is no issue with them when lots of people are pushing a reliable 170bhp, carbs are ****e and you wouldn't see the same gains as you would on bike bodies.iv'e pm'd sandy brown about an inlet being made up, if theres enough interest off here ill get a price once iv'e had mine done, at the minute im getting some pictures of the engine bay together to send him so he can have a good lookhe's allready said they are going to look into it and then look at making an inlet manihe also does mapping and im willing to put my neck on the line and say i bet with decent cams ill see the same gains as people do with jenvies etc, as said 106gti's take very well to them so theres no reason this engine shouldnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Power isnt the problem.Its low down (as in under 5'000rpm!) thats the issue with bike bodies.Its got nothing to do with the trumpets, its down to the shape and angle of the throttle body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LupoJoe Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Power isnt the problem.Its low down (as in under 5'000rpm!) thats the issue with bike bodies.Its got nothing to do with the trumpets, its down to the shape and angle of the throttle body.i know i was pointing out that trumpet size does effect torque, and who caares if it isnt quick below a certain rpm, it aint a diesel, if i want to go quick in it ill simply drop it down a gearand youre branding all bike bodies, the k1's that are commonly used have been proven to give just as good gains as the silly expensive jenviesi dont see the point in paying more for something thats no better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty_82 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) arent bike bodies a problem due to their angle and the fact they are pretty open and shut hence the problems at below a set point e.g as said 5k. Edited May 13, 2009 by scotty_82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I paid around £400 for brand new Jenveys.Don't see the point is spending £300 on someone to fabricate a set up to be used with Bike bodies!If you were gonna knock up an inlet manifold yourself then yeah, may be worth saving a couple of hundred quid and buying some bike items, but you'll end up spending more on mapping time once its all done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 have been proven to give just as good gains as the silly expensive jenviesi dont see the point in paying more for something thats no betterId like to see the proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Take a look at this graph of a Lupo GTI on 'proper' throttle bodies.Notice how smooth the curve is, you wouldn't get that with bike bodies.And if you only want a spike at the top end of the rev range, you may as well fit a big turbo.LUPO___ROLLING_ROAD_GRAPHS_IN_WORD_DOCUMENT.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbeth! Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Notice how smooth the curve is, you wouldn't get that with bike bodies.That's not a curve, you could draw that with a ruler! Bloody impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 It was ubber smooth. So smooth intact that you had to look at the speedo to realise just how fast you was going. Obviously I've gone for short horns and no inlet manifold so mine will look nothing like that! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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