IanW Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 VTR, possibly it'll be around the same pace I guess. Probs a bit slower due to less torque.Nev - I find your claim highly doubtful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Damn, those dials are hideous!NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Always are, always are.What do you mean 'anything'?NOCKYou would be supprised. Everyone thinks there is something seriously wrong with the Citroen C1 I'm driving at work. It is far faster then any of the others and there all standard.I know every car is slightly different and I have hands on experience from working for nissan I drove them (sorry I meant SCREWED them) out the back of the factory, every single one of them around a 05 plate to an 06 plate.There all different every micra and almera and all the rest drive differently.Any way the c1 i have is rediculasly fast and can have almost anything off the lights.Funny thing is i herd today there bringing out the vts/ gti version in a 1.3 turbo. now that would be silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoopyDan Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Any way the c1 i have is rediculasly fast and can have almost anything off the lights.hehe try my dads 430hp Monaro style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 hehe try my dads 430hp Monaro style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />Within reason, it is a 1.0 after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 VTR, possibly it'll be around the same pace I guess. Probs a bit slower due to less torque.Nev - I find your claim highly doubtfulThat one is modified, im talking standard, I work with new cars, and the odd standard used car unless we import skylines and mr2's which can be fun cos there all non standard from japan (little do there new owners know we had some fun before they get them, lol!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Damn, those dials are hideous!NOCKhere it is, can someone bad boy this thing up please? lol stick some dished wheels on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 That one is modified, im talking standard, I work with new cars, and the odd standard used car unless we import skylines and mr2's which can be fun cos there all non standard from japan (little do there new owners know we had some fun before they get them, lol!)Someone mod this up on photo shop, make it look good, please?http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/189/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanW Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 0-60 in 7.6, thats a standard VTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Someone mod this up on photo shop, make it look good, please?http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/gallery/gallery/189/11Only way you could make that look good is it you took that body off and out a different one one. I think it is one of the most disgusting cars that can be bought new at present to be honest it's shockingly ugly.NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooke Posted June 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 i can smell sum bullshit with what nev is saying lol... anyway back to the origional topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 i can smell sum bullshit with what nev is saying lol... anyway back to the origional topicOooh controversial! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":cheers:" border="0" alt="cheers.gif" /> NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petes 16V Sport Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 The C1's daihatsu engine is pretty good for a 1.0 (Aygo/107/C1 all use the 1.0 from the sirion) and I assume a sport version would use the 130hp 1.3 turbo from the old daihatsu YRV, ive driven this engine, and in my opinion its lovely style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> but the YRV was incapable of harnessing the power properly. But its not rocket science, that power to weight ratio coupled with aerodynamics and traction forces and transmission losses will determine how fast a car accelerates.Now looking at the Citroen C1 it doesnt not look very aerodynamic, just look at the big bulging grille! but thats not really too much of an issue at the speeds or claiming, or any of the other things for that matterthe main thing is: power to weight ratio, assuming most new cars have pretty good tyres to get the power down as standard: power to weight is actually not bad... its a lightish car, the engine is light, and 68hp isn't bad for a 1.0. but its not going to be a rocket, an any car with a better power to weight ratio is probably capable in the right hands of "beating it"Whats the point though really?Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 (edited) You would be supprised. Everyone thinks there is something seriously wrong with the Citroen C1 I'm driving at work. It is far faster then any of the others and there all standard.I know every car is slightly different and I have hands on experience from working for nissan I drove them (sorry I meant SCREWED them) out the back of the factory, every single one of them around a 05 plate to an 06 plate.There all different every micra and almera and all the rest drive differently.Any way the c1 i have is rediculasly fast and can have almost anything off the lights.Funny thing is i herd today there bringing out the vts/ gti version in a 1.3 turbo. now that would be silly.I'd beat it to 60 on my bicycle.UP A HILL!!!! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":coffee:" border="0" alt="coffee.gif" /> NOCK Edited June 3, 2007 by LUPO NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 The C1's daihatsu engine is pretty good for a 1.0 (Aygo/107/C1 all use the 1.0 from the sirion) and I assume a sport version would use the 130hp 1.3 turbo from the old daihatsu YRV, ive driven this engine, and in my opinion its lovely style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> but the YRV was incapable of harnessing the power properly. But its not rocket science, that power to weight ratio coupled with aerodynamics and traction forces and transmission losses will determine how fast a car accelerates.Now looking at the Citroen C1 it doesnt not look very aerodynamic, just look at the big bulging grille! but thats not really too much of an issue at the speeds or claiming, or any of the other things for that matterthe main thing is: power to weight ratio, assuming most new cars have pretty good tyres to get the power down as standard: power to weight is actually not bad... its a lightish car, the engine is light, and 68hp isn't bad for a 1.0. but its not going to be a rocket, an any car with a better power to weight ratio is probably capable in the right hands of "beating it"Whats the point though really?PeteGood, I thought it was a toyota engine but wasnt 100%, anyway glad you put some facts behind it cos until you drive one you cant really comment can you?I would think a turbo in it would be just stupid and the average person on the road thease days wouldnt be able to drive it.Back to the original topic on the lupo side I did a run with the 17"wheels on and i think its quite quick not timing it. I took them off and put the 13" on and the difference is imence....Ill have to get the times one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooke Posted June 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Sorry to dumb things down here but how does your wheel size affect the quickness of your car? Is it the bigger the wheels the faster due to the circumference difference, and so bigger wheels per turn will travel further and hence you can go faster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Sorry to dumb things down here but how does your wheel size affect the quickness of your car? Is it the bigger the wheels the faster due to the circumference difference, and so bigger wheels per turn will travel further and hence you can go faster?Probs just the weight of them, the 17 are bloody heavy. lolim sure the size makes a difference, something like bigger wheels slower acceleration but higher top end and smaller wheels quicker acceleration and lower top end.Im not sure just something I herd. It could be me just being stupid and not hearing right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanW Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Thats correct. Smaller wheels, faster acceleration. Larger wheels, more top speed. (not including other factors) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Thats correct. Smaller wheels, faster acceleration. Larger wheels, more top speed. (not including other factors)It's the size of the 'footprint' on the road though as, say you got 14's with low profile tyres or 13's with chunky tyres and their exterior diameter was the same, then the acceleration and top end would be exactly the same (as long as the weight of the wheels was the same). It's only if you change the size of the 'footprint' i.e. how much tyre touches the road, that you will change these characteristics. But then your dials will be out also so you're a sitting Duck for the fuzz if you haven't got a GPS system to tell you your correct speed.NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooke Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 so basically if you are going to go up a wheel size you need to go down a tyre profile size to keep the rolling radius the same so that your speedo and gear ratios are the same?I read that with bigger wheels the weight is obviously further away from the centre of the wheel and therefore it requires more force to turn it, (because it has a greater moment)? so is this correct or what? i want bigger wheels but i want to have lightning acceleration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) so basically if you are going to go up a wheel size you need to go down a tyre profile size to keep the rolling radius the same so that your speedo and gear ratios are the same?You've got it that it bang-on correct. This web-site 'tells' you roughly how far your speedo will be out.I read that with bigger wheels the weight is obviously further away from the centre of the wheel and therefore it requires more force to turn it, (because it has a greater moment)? Hmmm depends on the weight of the wheel that but as it is a wheel it is a couple (or torque) not a moment anyway. If the wheels are the same weight then yeah I suppose it would require more force to turn it. I've never thought about that but that is a good point.so is this correct or what? i want bigger wheels but i want to have lightning acceleration...If you want that it is possible, just don't go too much bigger, get real light ones, and really low profile tyres. However your wheels aren't really going to aid acceleration very much. You'd be better off messing under the engine for that in my opinion, would probably only cost about the same too if not less, as new wheels don't come cheap do they.NOCK Edited June 4, 2007 by LUPO NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXXXtreme arosa Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 17" wolfrace kendo wheels - 195/40/17 pirelli p zero nero tyres. over a grands worth of wheels and rubber at time of purchase.... top end of 127mph on sat nav.cars slayed: countless vtr's, gave a 106 gti and proper run for its money too but he caught me top end. all ive done performance wise is a grille mounted induction cone, new oil catcher (to save throwing oil), and a scorpion b/box for the lupo gti. i love my arosa sport ive eatten alot of 1.6's, a few 1.8 focus's and 318 beamers, not to mention fiestas, pumas, escorts style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooke Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 wow so it would appear that your top end speed has increased, that could just be to do with the induction kit and whatever other performance parts you have one... so how did your acceleration 0-60 differ with the new size of wheels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 here it is, can someone bad boy this thing up please? lol stick some dished wheels on it border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanW Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 actually, i quite like that bar stickers and spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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