Tigz™ Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 (edited) The 2.0 GTI yes.Not the 1.8T.But then a Lupo GTI would kick the ass of a 2.0 GTI! Edited September 12, 2006 by Tigz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linz Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I thought I remembered somthing along those lines! I know what you mean, met a few 2.0 GTi owners not too keen on the Lupo's performance against them! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beach Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Please don't slate me if I'm wrong here peeps, but was the mk4 Golf TDI not better performance wise than the GTi? I'm sure I remember some sort of test on Top Gear.Here the diesel Golf is compared to similar petrol equivalents - and performs better! (Click right arrow along 5 pages)http://www.greenconsumerguide.com/master.h...v/vw/page1.htmlits not a smiliar comparison on that link. all those other cars dont have a turbocharger bolted to their engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 its not a smiliar comparison on that link.Agreed.Lets compaire the 1.7 SDI against the 1.6 GTI lumps style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beach Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 (edited) Agreed.Lets compaire the 1.7 SDI against the 1.6 GTI lumps style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />i can help you there.the 1.6 petrol 123bhpthe larger engined 1.7 diesel 59bhp........hmmmmmanyway enough. i dont want to be called boring.get on with the project kernow, hunt the lupo base car. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Edited September 12, 2006 by beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubster Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Hi, I am new on here... so firstly let me say "Hello"I currently own a 'tweaked' Saxo VTS, and am currently looking at starting a new 'project' car.I have the idea of putting a 1.9 TDi engine from a Golf into a Lupo/Arosa.I have checked the engine specs and as far as I can tell basically the 1.7SDi engine has the same bore (but a shorter stroke) than the 1.9SDi engine found in the Polo.Therefore a 1.9SDi engine should fit into a Lupo/Arosa 1.7 SDi shell using the same mounts.I am hopeful then that a 1.9 TDi would also fit. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shades:" border="0" alt="shades.gif" /> Does anyone know if the 6 speed gearbox from the 130/150TDi Golf would also fit?Also anyone know of any similar projects that I can get some tips from etc.Many thanks for reading this rambling first post! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />Is the 1.7SDi definately a similar block to the 1.9SDi? We have both of these engines at home, the wifes commuter car is the Lupo and I have a Polo 9N with the 1.9 unit. I'll have another look (even take some photos if it helps) but I was under the impression the the 1.7 unit is based on the older 1.6 generation of VW Diesel units.Check the part number on the engine mounts on both engines.Id be surprised if its a straight swap.The mk4 mounts are completely different to the Lupos.Your still going to need custom drive shafts etc.Cant see it being cheap.Saying that though, the 1.9SDi unit (either 64 or 68bhp) has been used in various cars including the mk4 and mk3 Golfs, plus the Polo 6N, which is the car that the Lupo was developed from. So if the 1.7 and 1.9SDi are based on the same block (unsure at the moment) fitting the Lupo shouldn't be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KernowBloke Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Is the 1.7SDi definately a similar block to the 1.9SDi?I am only going on the fact that they share a common bore, and the 1.9 would appear to be a longer stroke version of the 1.7.I have been wrong before! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> We have both of these engines at home, the wifes commuter car is the Lupo and I have a Polo 9N with the 1.9 unit. I'll have another look (even take some photos if it helps) but I was under the impression the the 1.7 unit is based on the older 1.6 generation of VW Diesel units.If you could take some photos that would be great... style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shades:" border="0" alt="shades.gif" /> Saying that though, the 1.9SDi unit (either 64 or 68bhp) has been used in various cars including the mk4 and mk3 Golfs, plus the Polo 6N, which is the car that the Lupo was developed from. So if the 1.7 and 1.9SDi are based on the same block (unsure at the moment) fitting the Lupo shouldn't be a problem.That is what I am hoping... and am I also right in assuming that the Polo 6N and a Lupo are the same width, and a Lupo is really a Polo with the back sawn off!!! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Don't you just wish VW were as lazy as Ford at times like these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubster Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I am only going on the fact that they share a common bore, and the 1.9 would appear to be a longer stroke version of the 1.7.I have been wrong before! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" /> If you could take some photos that would be great... style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shades:" border="0" alt="shades.gif" /> That is what I am hoping... and am I also right in assuming that the Polo 6N and a Lupo are the same width, and a Lupo is really a Polo with the back sawn off!!! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />Okay, I need to spend some time with the fleet this weekend, well the T25 and the Golf need an oil change.I'll try to get both the Lupo and Polo over the pit, so I can get photos from the underneath and the top of the engine bays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KernowBloke Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 (edited) Engine Info - Wikipedia Entry for Volkswagen Engines Edited September 12, 2006 by KernowBloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KernowBloke Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 i can help you there.the 1.6 petrol 123bhpthe larger engined 1.7 diesel 59bhp........59BHP, Just imagine!!! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":coffee:" border="0" alt="coffee.gif" /> I actually meant the weight of them, not the power output! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blush:" border="0" alt="blush.gif" />The std. engine the 1.7SDi would be junked anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubster Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Engine Info - Wikipedia Entry for Volkswagen EnginesI've just looked further into this, and I'm sure that the 1.7 SDi Diesel unit is based on the old 1.6 Golf unit as used upto the early '90s.There is only one other vehicle that used this engine, see the following spec:Number of cylinders/Type 4/Overhead Cam Capacity (cubic Centimeters) 1716 Bore 79.5mm Stroke 86.4mm Compression ratio 23:1 Output kW (DIN hp) @ RPM 42kW - 57hp @ 4500 RPM Injection pump manufacturer Bosch Type VE 4/9 Part Number 0 460 494 164 Rated no load speed 5100 +/- 50 RPM Injection sequence 1 - 3 - 4 - 2 Injector nozzle Bosch - 0 432 217 084 Does the cc and Bore/Stoke look familar? This engine data is from the VW T25/T3 Van! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 just a thought about base models- does the 1.4 tdi sport not come with rear discs and arb?just thought that if it did it may be better to start with that? theres a high possibility im wrong here though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossjohnc Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Doesn't the 1.9 derv lump have the same mounting arrangement as the 20v petrol?If so, they're quite different unfortunately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubster Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 just a thought about base models- does the 1.4 tdi sport not come with rear discs and arb?just thought that if it did it may be better to start with that? theres a high possibility im wrong here thoughUnfortunately the TDi sport still has drums and a standard style exhaust, only the petrol sport has rear discs and the central exit thingy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-man85 Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 I had a silly idea of putting a 150pd tdi into mine, but found out it costs around £7-8k just for the conversion then i'll need to upgrade the rear to disks and front brake set up.Lot of money but I would do if if i could afford it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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