baj Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I was at Donnington on Saturady just gone toying around with my 205 GTi on the track ... spotted this mean looking Lupo so went over to have a chat with the guy about it. border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" />Its based on a LHD Lupo Cup car from Germany. I'm not the most mechanically minded but he was telling me its a based on the `bottom-end` from a GTI road car. The head however was from VW racing and with a bit of work it runs 200bhp and weighs in at 850kg stripped out with a cage. He then went on to explain how the head from the road car is no good for running high power ... and then he lost me in techno talk style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />Needless to say it was fairly rapid round the track! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />Few more piccys:http://www.liddington.plus.com/looptrack/2.../2Dsc00333.jpeghttp://www.liddington.plus.com/looptrack/2.../2Dsc00334.jpeghttp://www.picman.co.uk/`cgi-bin`/...2&ALL_CARS&36&1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupo_Loopy Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 WOW! OMG! I want this beast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I think this is one of the Loop Cup cars brought over. The bunch that Ian bought his from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisty b-road Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 He then went on to explain how the head from the road car is no good for running high powerInteresting statement :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy Lupo Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 i take it from the front end this isn't based on a gti then??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Yep, thats a GTI alright. Just missing the indicators and the inserts for the bumper. nice car btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisty b-road Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 GTi wings and bumper, but maybe halogen lights to save weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baj Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Ooops, bandwidth exceeded ... i'll try and get the piccys back on later!I haven't got a pic of the inside but im pretty sure dash wasn't from a GTi ... it seems to be a mix and match of allsorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 GTi wings and bumper, but maybe halogen lights to save weight?Or equally cost, when you get one bust by a flying stone or an offroad excursion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 need to find out where he got his head from then - got to be worth a call to VW racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baj Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 After a bit of sniffing around on the Driver name as displayed in the rear window and the car number, the guys name is Mark Hope.It appears that the car is used in the VW Racing Cup series. You can see more pictures and info here;http://www.`vw-cup`.co.uk/cars.htmWould appear he gets slung up against much faster machinery as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 The cars for sale in Motorsport News and Autosport. It runs a 1.8t motor.The bloke you were talking to was probably Grant of Grant m/sport. The problem with the GTI engine is that it runs roller rockers. I know the bloke who used to run the Polo kit cars in the British rally championship. They use the same head. He told me that above 8500rpm the whole roller rocker set up is not robust enough and you basically loose valve lift, which means less mixture into the combustion chamber, which means less power and possible detonation. They did find a solution but it was mega bucks. The E46 M3 runs a very similar standard set up and no one uses this engine in racing for the same reason.The AFH head (Lupo Sport) is a much better basis for race tuning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 so you could put a GTI bottom end on a sport head? and then bore the 1.4 out? I thought the sport and the gti had the same head???!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I presumed the 1.4 & 1.6 used the same block, but different heads & also different crank giving longer stroke (therefore, higher capacity - like 205 1.6 & 1.9).Was just a presumption tho style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 sorry when I said 'same head' i meant same as in, 1.6 was same as 1.4 before it was made into a 1.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baj Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 The cars for sale in Motorsport News and Autosport. It runs a 1.8t motor.The bloke you were talking to was probably Grant of Grant m/sport. The problem with the GTI engine is that it runs roller rockers. I know the bloke who used to run the Polo kit cars in the British rally championship. They use the same head. He told me that above 8500rpm the whole roller rocker set up is not robust enough and you basically loose valve lift, which means less mixture into the combustion chamber, which means less power and possible detonation.Thats exactly what he was telling me on Saturday about the roller rockers.He definatley said it was a 1.6 tho, not a 1.8T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisty b-road Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 He told me that above 8500rpm the whole roller rocker set up is not robust enough and you basically loose valve liftExcellent style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />Can't see me wanting to go higher than 7500 anyway, end up costing too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy Lupo Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 GTi wings and bumper, but maybe halogen lights to save weight?twas lack of xenons that had me foxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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