TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm wanting to cam my 1.4s, I don't want non of this jus put a gti engine in bla blawhat are my options?? I've look at some that catcams do and they list 2 sets tr can be run on standard springs followers and retainers and that's what I am hoping for but what other options do I have? Do Kent cams list a cam for lupo?? Checked site and can't see anything? Also were can I buy shrick ( or w.e the he'll it is)?After an induction kit, 4-2-1, Mani back exhaust and a set of cams does anyone have any estimates on what the results will be?? Bhp and tourqe wise??What other mods work well with cams?? Port and polish?? Thinking a sport inlet and tb aswell?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmetal Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 http://www.kamracing.co.uk/vw-lupo-5/engine-147/cams-148/Lupo cams, oh and get the car mapped after the mods, will get you more power and tie in all the mods so itll run alot smoother.I cant guess power figures but Ive read / heard that the 1.4s is the most responsive to mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 ye thts were av looked mate, and av pm'd amsome n they aint douin n/a remapping at this moment in time lol, al probz take it to rs tuning, he managed to remap my brothers supercharged clio sport on a standard ecu so am sure he can do a very good job of a cammed lupo lol n thts the plan, full exhaust, then cams then remap lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbo Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 You'll definatley need a sport TB and inlet manifold, the TB's on the 1.4 75's are tiny!I'm looking into doing exactly the same as you in the future so would like to see where this goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Does anyone know what's needed to put a sport/gti inlet on a 1.4s?? Ain't all sports FBW and the 1.4s cable throttle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 a sport manifold will fit straight on however the tb is fbw, you could get a full inlet manifold and tb from a polo 1400 afh 16v but they are rocky horse poo, tbh with cam's and stuff on a 75bhp 14's i think you'll only get maybe 100 bhp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 schrick cam's are available from polo performance on club polo, i'm running schrick's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) 100 bhp is fine by me, im not a bhp hunter ne way, tourque all the way so will be interesting to see what tourque it will be putting outand this is a silly question but am guesing its more hassel than its worth to convert to fbw lol, what shape polo is that inlet from?and what engine you running the shrick's in? Edited October 19, 2009 by TomStevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 1600 gti block 1400 afh ported and polished head schrick cam's jenvey tb's omex ecu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 inlet manifold from mk4 polo like 94>98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 100 bhp is fine by me, im not a bhp hunter ne way, tourque all the way so will be interesting to see what tourque it will be putting outand this is a silly question but am guesing its more hassel than its worth to convert to fbw lol, what shape polo is that inlet from?and what engine you running the shrick's in?and to convert to fbw you would need everything from fbw car inc full harness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpo Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm wanting to cam my 1.4s, I don't want non of this jus put a gti engine in bla blaIn the nicest way you can't polish a turd, buy a gti/ faster car and have better torque, more power and better residuals come sell time. Or be happy with the power you have. If you do get cams, port and polish, inlet mani, sport/gti throttle body, full exhaust and a re-map. You must be looking at 1.5K thats allot of money to spend on something that is still going to be pretty slow.Would be very individual, but a waste of money imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 as he say's like my cams were £600 ,£100 for verniers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 so i just need the inlet and tb nothing else off one of these? and it will need nothing else but those 2 parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 yep 100bhp one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 raceland - £130ishmanifold back exhaust by tony banks - £280catcams - £550polo afh inlet and tb - £100grand total of £1060 minus mapping however i me and my brother are very friendly with a very good mapper so i can get that done dirt cheap, he estimated at around the £100 mark yes it is alot on a 1.4, to still have a pretty slow car, but i want to see what is capable of the 1.4 engine plus i think i may go for a sport exhaust first and see how far away from sport power it will be to answer the question of were does the extra 25bhp come from tht gets asked countless numbers of times, i cannot be bothered with all the hassel of an engine swap, and tbh i aint too keen on the gti's looks personally there nice dont get me wrong, but just not my sort of thing plus people well over estimate lupo gtis as me and some of my friends have been at the side of them and they didnt amaze myself or any friends tbh, i expected them to be quicker and the looks make them look like they would be faster in my opinion, a 1.4 with a gti engine would be perfect for me, people around my area always presume they only do a 1.0l lupo and a gti as i have been asked countless times if i have a gti engine in my lupo and i usually think erm no its a 1.4 and you have a 1.2 corsa u goon lol but i cannot be arsed with engoine conversions lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unheard Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Don't forget about insurance. that can be a real pain when you modify a car as you can end up paying more than you would with a more powerfully model of the same car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbo Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) Erm mitch, early sports came with a cable TB, i've got one sat infront of me as i type, although they are hard to get your hands on so an afh TB is probably your best bet and i would put money on you being able to get more than 100bhp. The previous owner of jamesU's car had exhaust, exhaust mani, inlet mani and TB and with mapping reached something like 98.7bhp. With cams i can see that going up quite a bit as the only other difference between the 75 and the sport is the inlet cam. I also remember seeing that when awesome were developing maps, a guy got 115bhp out of a sport simply with an awesome gti special air filter. I also get fed up of hearing just buy a sport or GTi, howvever, my car has 16,000 miles on it, i know its in perfect nic and know its history, i've also done a lot to it so far and have become fairly emotionally attached to it. Edited October 19, 2009 by bobbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 haha nice go on lad, 1.4s POWER!!!!! haha lolon a serious note, no more of this get a sport/gti arsed with it tbh, if ure gna put tht just dont bother i know they exist and if i wanted one i would get one, i got this car very very cheap and like this car end of and i can see 110bhp possible from a 1.4s with the right mods and mapping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 People are just offering advice. You're going to spend a lot of money on taking a car up to Sport performance, but with a highly strung engine, without all the Sport extras and without the Sport value. It'll be harder to sell on and it won't be worth as much. And it will cost more to insure.But by all means, do what you like.In the nicest way you can't polish a turdYou obviously didn't see this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbo Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Is it going to be highly strung engine though? 75bhp is nothing out of a 1.4, if anything i think the non sports are de-tuned somewhat. So long as your trying to push big NA power it should be fine, i see 110bhp a very reasonable amount to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 would the catcams be suitable for a sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomStevo Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 im not really sure tbh, if you know your engine code it says the cams are suitable for engine codes AUA/APE, try emailing kam racing on here am sure they will be happy to help lol also do you need adjustable verniers when camming? i always thought you could just use the origional ones off the standard cams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperWeight1 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 also do you need adjustable verniers when camming? i always thought you could just use the origional ones off the standard cams?You can get away without using a vernier depending on the profile, but to get the most out of then yes you should use a vernier.This adds cost in the mapping stage also as there's more to play around with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperWeight1 Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Is it going to be highly strung engine though? 75bhp is nothing out of a 1.4, if anything i think the non sports are de-tuned somewhat. So long as your trying to push big NA power it should be fine, i see 110bhp a very reasonable amount to expect.Just because it's 'nothing' from a 1.4 doesn't mean some components are being stressed well beyond their tolerances. On the Fiat FIRE 1.4 16v's 130bhp is achieveable but at that point the pistons become an issue. The car is ~95bhp from factory. That's a 35% power increase. You're talking about ~45% power increase up to 110bhp from a 75bhp 1.4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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