Gaz-M Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Hi people, on the lookout for a GTI and have found a tempting one that is a 5 gear model..Just wondering what is actually different, is it a different final drive and an extra gear making the whole box much closer or is it a gear put alongside 5th gear with only a slight different ratio from 5th gear, meaning its identical ratios in all gears and final drive just with the added gear..??Help please style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> , no guessing allowed!!! Cheers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerz Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 final drive is nearly exactualy the same mate, 6 speed is just quiker through the gears obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_M Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 (edited) Here you go: border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="IPB Image" /> Edited February 7, 2006 by mike_m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I dont know how true it is but i heard somewhere that the 6 speed was developed as a stronger replacement box because of problems with 5 speed boxes popping under warranty? dont know if ne1 else kas heard nething similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBR Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Im pretty sure 6-speed was made with emissions in mind. My first Gti 5-speed had to be registered before certain new emmission controls came into effect...... or it would of been scrapped! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I dont think it was any of that.Honda & Renault had fitted a 6 speed as standard, and selct people think 6 is better so they devoloped one.Marketing if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyGti Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 umm... those acceleration times... are they correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 on paper it is deceptive comparing like for like in gear times.obviously the 6 speed will have quicker in gear times if u put both the 5 speed and 6 speed in the same gear at the same speed.in real life though i suspect that putting the 2 cars head to head there wouldn't be much in it as the 5 speed would just stay in gear for longer when the 6 speed has changed up a gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I want a 4 speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBlackspins Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 umm... those acceleration times... are they correct?thats wot i thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 just nice having 6 gears dont you think style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shades:" border="0" alt="shades.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBR Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I dont think it was any of that.Honda & Renault had fitted a 6 speed as standard, and selct people think 6 is better so they devoloped one.Marketing if you ask me.http://cars.yahoo.co.uk/b/a/cr_Volkswagen/.../100354123.html2nd Paragraph:"The Lupo was launched back in 1997 but the GTi didn't debut until 2001. In the interim, the range had been fleshed out by diesel and Sport variants and by the time the GTi made its entrance, the Lupo was no longer new news. The weighty price tag didn't help either, many realising that better value was to be found in Volkswagen's sister marques, Skoda and SEAT. To put the 125bhp Lupo GTi into some frame of reference, it costs a good deal more than the bigger 150bhp SEAT Ibiza FR. In other words, you really had to be seduced by the chunkily good looking styling of the Lupo to pay that sort of money. A few were and used examples are now appearing in a trickle. In April 2002 the Lupo GTi gained a sixth gear although few who drove the five speed car complained. In May 2003 the car became Euro IV emissions compliant."I like my 6 Speed Too... style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":shades:" border="0" alt="shades.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGTI Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 the 6 speed gives you a bit more flexibility when you driving....although id imagine the 0-60 time to be a little slower cos of having to shift up sooner.6 speed box also has a much better feel, more precise and clunks into gear more cleanly.....of course its also better because 6 is a bigger number than 5 and more=better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 more=better. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Lup Gti Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) the 6 speed gives you a bit more flexibility when you driving....although id imagine the 0-60 time to be a little slower cos of having to shift up sooner.6 speed box also has a much better feel, more precise and clunks into gear more cleanly.....of course its also better because 6 is a bigger number than 5 and more=better.6sp box is just a 5speeder with an extra gear added and a extra notch in the selector housing!! u can even see on the box casing were the extra gear is located.5-6 speeder's are bulit exactly the same mate! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Edited February 8, 2006 by Red Lup Gti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighty Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 The sixth ratio gives first and second a bit more oomph, and allows you just a bit more of that satisfying stick-stirring fun as you move up and down through the box. 4cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGTI Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 6sp box is just a 5speeder with an extra gear added and a extra notch in the selector housing!! u can even see on the box casing were the extra gear is located.5-6 speeder's are bulit exactly the same mate! 6sp box is just a 5speeder with an extra gear added and a extra notch in the selector housing!! u can even see on the box casing were the extra gear is located.5-6 speeder's are bulit exactly the same mate!having driven both it certainly doesnt feel like the same box with an added gear at the top the feel is different....and the review on top gears website agrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighty Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 ahh this one:The mad cat-munchies effect can also now be experienced in the VW Lupo GTI, thanks to the fresh addition of a six-speed gearbox. From a steady cruise, notch it down a ratio or two and it transforms the personality of this seemingly innocent little city car into a frenzied, foaming-at-the-mouth beastie. For such a titch, the Lupo is now a relatively ballistic device. As before it's propelled by the 1.6-litre engine with variable-valve timing and 125bhp from the heavier Polo GTI; much heavier in fact, because the Lupo benefits from an aluminium bonnet, doors and flared front wings. The replacement of the original's five-speed gearbox with a six-speeder means that the engine can now always be kept buzzing away, keeping it right in its power band and so at its most responsive. The shift action is improved too. This is a properly quick little car, just a whisker off the performance offered by the likes of a Golf GTI turbo. It's significantly more fun to drive too, turning in crisply to corners and feeling nimble like few VWs do. The suspension is lowered 20mm all round, the downside being a ride quality bouncy enough to induce a bout of jogger's nipple over a lumpily-surfaced country road. The Lupo certainly still looks the business and is more fun than it was before, but it also remains too expensive. A sizeable £1,380 less now buys you a Mini Cooper, remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMon Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Not this old chestnut again. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":coffee:" border="0" alt="coffee.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGTI Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 yep that one....even if its not correct it still feels like a different box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr ColinG Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 I dont know how true it is but i heard somewhere that the 6 speed was developed as a stronger replacement box because of problems with 5 speed boxes popping under warranty? dont know if ne1 else kas heard nething similar?Ours is a 6 speed, but I have 2 friends who have had 5 speed Polo GTIs between them they had 3 new gearboxes under warranty, both sold as soon as the warranty ran out, wonder why,no such problems with the Loop, touch wood.I prever the 6 speed, ratios seem closer. More involved drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobah Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Buy a five speed, save yourself some cash and slam it on coilovers. 6 speed wouldn't see which way you went with that standard custard based suspension. In gear times will be the last thing on your mind! Not that l'm biased..................... style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Seriously though, l've driven both and they both have plus points over the other but on your average A or B road it doesn't make a scrap of difference. A more pressing factor would be the phenomina known as................"The Driver". style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 This needs clearing up as there is a lot of conflicting information. Please read this extract from the VW Driver article, it will tell you everything you need to know, including gear ratios to prove that 6th isn't just an overdrive gear. Maybe this could be added to the FAQ or something so we can re direct people when it inevitably comes up again. border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="IPB Image" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozboz Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Here you go: border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" alt="IPB Image" />Are there anything like this for the 1.0 and 1.4 versions?? just think it would be cool, and also i want to see the difference in power/speed as im looking for a car in that speed range and wan to know style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> .Corie, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozboz Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Are there anything like this for the 1.0 and 1.4 versions?? just think it would be cool, and also i want to see the difference in power/speed as im looking for a car in that speed range and wan to know style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> .Corie,Anyone???? anyware at all?? style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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