Delvard Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I know you've been waiting for the results so I'll begin by posting the dyno results Starting with the HP result:Before 126.0 After 134.1 border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" />The Torque results:Before 110.6 After 117.5 border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" />Here's a pic of her on the rollers: border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" /> border="0" class="linked-image" />I booked in a hotel the night before and arrived at AmD promptly at 9am. I was greeted at reception by Ed Jackson young guy who is as passionate about cars as we are. A real petrolhead. Let me tell you this guy is a star. Really. Could offer lessons in customer care. No matter how many questions you ask him, he answers with real enthusiasm and genuinely wants to help. After dropping of the car he orgainised a lift to take me back to the hotel (in an AmD tuned Golf gti)and also asked me what time I'd like to be picked up... style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> The car arrived promptly at 1pm. When I got back to AMD I was met by the tuning engineer (forgot his name!) who was another star. I'd left a camera with them to take the pics you see here. He wanted to check that the pictures were OK and did I want anymore! I had a chuckle at that one thanked him and sat down.... for another 3 hours style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> They've got a very nice reception there and you can drink as many free drinks from the machine as you like. There's also a nice widescreen tv with PS2 attached if the fancy takes you.Still when your pondering what awaits you...time drags.She was ready! Ed drove the car round for me and gave me the keys. showed me the results you see above. I was so pleased. Don't forget I've not made any other mod to this car and don't intend to, so realistically expected about 6hp and about the same torque....The drive? Oh yeah style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> You can tell as soon as you set off. Really. So smooth, feels like a bigger engine. And oh, BABY does it gag for revs. It just so wants it, climbs and climbs. Flat spots pretty much gone bye bye. As you can see from the graphs except low down (where it's such an improvement) the shape has pretty much maintained itself. It's just got better.Imagine this represents the before sound of the revs:-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r.....Weeell, now it's like this:R!R!R!R!R!R!R!R!R!R!R!!!!SHAGMESHAGME!!!Conclusion?Brilliant, really happy, couldn't have asked for more. Go and get it done my son. You won't be dissapointed.....Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 This is what i wanted to hear, good results there for a standard car and good to hear that it revs free-er, as standard it's not an entirely rev happy engine. Looks like i'll be off to amd at the end of the year when insurance renewal is up! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbup:" border="0" alt="thumbup.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Pretty good result from the ECU wasn't it.Intresting how no one can manage to get that little dip out at 3krpm on the touque graph isn't it?I wonder why that is?Good power increase all the way through the rev range isn't it.Just shows you how much VW have held back with this engine doesn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotoshinken Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 very impresive man,how much did it cost? wonder if the power increase would be more with air filters and stainless system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Without a doubt.Unlike a chip, there mapping for your engine.Im sure a BMC and Zaust would give a massive improvment.Delvard did they say if you can return at a more livable rate after engine mods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lupogti_ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 good to hear would be an expensive trip from scotland style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> do you recon any 1 this way does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 No. You can get a piggy back ECU remapped, but not a Stock VW ECU remapped.This way its OE enough for the Boss man to do style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe16v Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 i soo want it done. I'm debatin on gettin a map done by amd or revo, seein as revo are now doin n/a maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twisty b-road Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Isn't the dip at 3k (ish) rpm for emmissions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 I thought that was the case, but I would have thought AMD would have removed it?unless this is one of the things, the stock ecu wont allow much ajustment.It looks as though they have raised everything, but looks almost identical.So maybe, they can ol raise it, not ajust out the flat spots as you'd think would happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyW Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Great review delvard, thanks for bringing it too us. Upon your recommendation I'm definately going to get this done. I notice your cars a 54 plate, and so still well within warranty, how will this effect it, if at all. And would anything be flagged up at service time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTi T Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Pretty good results there for a std Loop!!!Would wanna see what a loop with a zorst and different air filter runs with this remap thoughSounds like a great place aswell!T style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 And would anything be flagged up at service time?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>My dealership has never had a Lupo GTi in for a service.They wouldn't know what it was supposed to be like.And VW told me after the fire, then only way they could tell if a ecu had been chipped/remapped Would be to send it to Germany to the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Excellent review mate. Definately something worth considering if I don't get an engine transplant done! Can you give us an idea of the cost of this little adventure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 All the details of the cost and what AMD said about the product is here.Click Here for the thread and link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Thanks for the link Tigz style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />Looks like about £50 a horse then, i'd really like to see what it does to a loop that has a BMC and stainless system on it, I reckon 150bhp+ is quite possible for a total investment of what, a grand? And that is going to feel very quick indeed, and sound the absolute **** style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Good work and good result...cant wait to get mine done style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />I did wonder if the 3k dip is the 2nd cam coming into play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delvard Posted June 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Little more feedback after driving it around this morning....You see on the torque graph how AmD made a good attempt at smoothing it out from 0 to about 2700 revs? That is such an improvement. Its sublime and a joy how smooth things are now when you set off. None of that feathering, being gentle with the accelerator to stop it bucking/learching. It doesn't matter anymore. It's just so easy and well..pleasent. You get what I mean?Also from the conversations we had that day I'm pretty sure that within reason AmD can do whatever you want with the curve. But it's always going to be at a cost. What I mean is if you ask them to dump some of that tuning lower down the rev range, accentuate it more, they can do it. BUT it will cost you lower/higher in the rev range. To a point that a crossover will occur and it will actually dip BELOW the original VW settings. You really would have to be very precise and thoughful in describing to AmD what you want. I've no doubt that good gains would be made with the addition of an aftermarket manifold and induction BUT those gains/changes I think would be high up. I maybe would be a little concerned about the result lower down the rev range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 Great results I think thats made my mind up! just insurance now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lupogti_ Posted June 18, 2005 Report Share Posted June 18, 2005 if the ecu has never been opend the insurance would never know its just going to be an inspector of damage and visible mods ect iv lost threw not declairing and i wouldnt declair it as im positive they would never find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 My dealership has never had a Lupo GTi in for a service.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>They've had one in for warranty work (assuming it's Gilders Hillsborough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Nar mate, the one in bramley.The sheff branch is a bit too far from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj10 Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Just shows you how much VW have held back with this engine doesn't it.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>If honda can get 100bhp per litre (vti - 1.6 = 160 bhp)............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 If honda can get 100bhp per litre (vti - 1.6 = 160 bhp)...............<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Honda got 240bhp out of the 2 litre S2000 engine, naturally aspirated, but they did have to make it rev to 9000rpm, but it had feck all torque. You could easily be beaten by slower cars if caught out of gear and off cam.So that's 120bhp per litre, 1.6 should be able to pull 190bhp in theory, but I doubt it would be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Its possible, just dont expect reliability! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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