lupoguy Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Hi fellas, Big fkin problem, dad used the car a few days ago and has lost the keys (mislaid who knows) HOPEFULLY they'll turn up as he locked the car and came to the house or may be on the lawn etc etc. Luckily I took the plastic valet key off the fob and kept it in my wallet, however this won't allow the car to run for more than a second because the stop solenoid kicks in (immobiliser) I know theres a way to bypass the immo by running a live to the stop solenoid (would probably run off headunit ignition cable or similair so I don't have to put a switch in and so it works off ignition) and am going to attempt this shortly as a temporary fix (until keys are found) Just wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction as to which cable I need to run the live to? Have read things about there being a cover over the solenoid or similair but have also read that you can use an 8mm socket to take the cable off the injector pump and then attach the live to that? Any help would be much appreciated here gents and I'm not asking you to help me steal a car haha I've got the valet key just need to bypass the immo until I find the keys or sort out a new setKind regards and a reply would be very very helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Woah, this sound a pretty beasty job. No idea about running a live to the stop solenoid and wouldn't know how. HOWEVER, I thought there was a way using the immobilizer key plus a VAGCOM to disable the immobilizer while you find the old key? I can't remember if VAGCOM or VAG Tacho can do it, but I'm pretty sure one of them can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Woah, this sound a pretty beasty job. No idea about running a live to the stop solenoid and wouldn't know how. HOWEVER, I thought there was a way using the immobilizer key plus a VAGCOM to disable the immobilizer while you find the old key? I can't remember if VAGCOM or VAG Tacho can do it, but I'm pretty sure one of them can.Wasn't aware of this I thought vag com could only read the key? Thanks for reply though and I don't think it's that big a job I saw a thread on here regarding a seat arosa doing the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Here is the thread http://forums.clublupo.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=83606 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 any suggestions gents? I ran a low grade cable across to what I thought was the 8mm connection and can hear it clicking open and shut when I touch the cable on and off but when attached (albeit not very well) the car still only ran for a second then cut out. Will try a thicker cable shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 any suggestions fellas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricracer Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 get an auto locksmith out to recode a new key or take it to dealers, running wire to stop solenoid will not bypass immobiliser on vw, the ecu still controls the flow of fuel and fuel pump, if it was that easy to bypass it would be a crap anti theft device,on some cars/vans made by other manufactures you can bypass immob like this but you have to cut the security housing of the back of the pump and possibly bypass starter block if it has one. but not on vws its a lot more complicated than that, trust me easiest option is get new keys, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 get an auto locksmith out to recode a new key or take it to dealers, running wire to stop solenoid will not bypass immobiliser on vw, the ecu still controls the flow of fuel and fuel pump, if it was that easy to bypass it would be a crap anti theft device,on some cars/vans made by other manufactures you can bypass immob like this but you have to cut the security housing of the back of the pump and possibly bypass starter block if it has one. but not on vws its a lot more complicated than that, trust me easiest option is get new keys,you're right mate It's not working at all, is there any way I can retrieve my SKC code by calling VW or something similair? I'm really in the poo on this one... Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon5 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The car should start and run with the plastic key! Else there is no point in giving you one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricracer Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) The car should start and run with the plastic key! Else there is no point in giving you one!the car WONT start with the plastic key, its a spare key to fit in your wallet so if you lose your keys you can still get in the carthey wont give you the code over the phone for obvious reasons, try auto locksmiths first they can scan immobiliser (vagtacho) then code keys, otherwise get it recovered to dealers Edited February 1, 2013 by electricracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 The car should start and run with the plastic key! Else there is no point in giving you one!It wouldn't start because it would need the immobiser chip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricracer Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) yes Edited February 1, 2013 by electricracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I thought someone on here said they ran theirs with the plastic key? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon5 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I have started both my Lupos with the plastic key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 That's strange like. Surely without the immobiliser the car will just fire up and then die a second later. with my after market key the chip fell out and rattled around inside the plastic part of the key. The wouldn't start until the chip was wiggle closer to the key. Also, when i used the oem key without the chip in it the engine just died after a second as the engine was cut out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricracer Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 it will start with the plastic key if you have one of the other keys on the same keyring.plastic key has no chip so it will not start car with immobiliser, not 100% sure that early lupos had immobiliser though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon5 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I'm sue I've done it with just the plastic one on its own - may have had the other spare ont he top keyring though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 That'd explain it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 That's strange like. Surely without the immobiliser the car will just fire up and then die a second later. with my after market key the chip fell out and rattled around inside the plastic part of the key. The wouldn't start until the chip was wiggle closer to the key. Also, when i used the oem key without the chip in it the engine just died after a second as the engine was cut out.is there a certain distance the chip should be from the ignition? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 In my experience if it's been any more than an inch-ish then it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoguy Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 What about being too close could that be a factor?Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete91 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Shouldn't be mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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