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Wanted to keep this on a low key but need some advice.

Basically I want to strip out the rears in my GTI and false floor across the seat recess (plus a couple of other things but :ph34r:

Speaking to a mate who is pretty clued up on all things automotive he reckons building a wooden frame and then use marine ply (stronger and more durable than MDF) to go over the top with sound deadening underneath, then carpet the top, with the join of the false floor meeting the boot floor so I can still obviously lift it up to access the wheel well.

Has anyone done this before, or have any other recommendations? Expanding foam was also mentioned to 'fill the gap'. I wanted to keep the rear door cards or would this make the fabrication of the floor harder?

Also, where do you presume I can get carpet the same colour as the boot?

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Ive just made a false floor today :) you wont be able make the floor level with the boot floor because a mounting for the seats sticks up inI the middle of it. I ended up making a frame about 3inch of the base to go above the mounting, putting 6mm mdf on that and then sticking the carpet over. Took loads of measuring to get it sit tight around the edges but to still able to lift it out to get to the spare wheel. Im quite pleased with it but i think i need something attached so it doesnt look like a van lol

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Ford escort estate it has a big coragated plastic boot board. At the widest point it an exact fit between the seat bins. You would need 2 of them

and cut them in half to make use of the widest part of both as one end tapers in. That would give you your split to gain assess to the wheel well.

I have one as the boot board in the back of my sport. It's very good stuff, strong and rigid but no way near as heavy as wood. I would never want to a

huge slab of wood in the back its just far too heavy. If i get a chance i will pick up a second one to make it an exact fit and give me a 50-50 split.

I cut out the metal bit in the centre of the seats so i could have the board sit flat down and not have to make up a frame.

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Yes you have, there is a magic device that bonds two like metals together. They call this wizards box a welder. It would take all of about

10 minuets for me to weld it back in, not that i can ever see myself wanting to.

The seats are way to heavy :lol: If i am not mistaken everything i took out the boot came to over 7 stone, that's a small child sitting

in the back all the time :lol: There are only a few reasons you would want to strip the back out. 1 to save weight. 2 so you can stick more

stuff in the back like an estate/mini van. 3 you don't like people asking for a lift. 4 you just like the look. 2 out of those 4 mean that

putting a a bit of wood in the back is pointless. If you are going to use it like an estate and load it up then a light weigh board is better

as you have less unladen weight. It is also pointless if you aim was to save weight. Lots of modern cars have a corrugated plastic boot boards

not a bit of wood. Ford just happens to have been using that for a long time. The standard lupo has MDF covered in carpet for the boot board

the 3L has coroplast covered in carpet.

I don't see the point in lugging about weight if it really is not needed. It cost's a surprising amount of extra money on fuel and you get a

free power upgrade without it. I really could not go back to having seats in the back of the sport now. It would feel to slow unless they were

the lightweight 3L seats with the 3L boot board and minus any spare wheel.

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no probs matey :)

unheard, if your that worried about the weight then u may aswell strip everything from the interior and just have a lightweight race seat and a set of clocks, be gti speeds then and save you fuel :)

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I am not worried about it, if you want wood i never said don't do it :lol: it's just if you have the option of going for something lightweight why not do it it's logical. Weight reduction is were a hell of a lot of the research is focused on modern car design because cars are needlessly heavy. The plastic is incredibly strong. Wood to me just seems a crazy thing to have in a car unless it is a composite but hey.

I have stripped everything out of the back that i can as well as under the bonnet. I have cobra clubmans that although not super lightweight will probably go in

and replace the heavy standard seats. Just by removing all the crap from the back i got 20 more miles form each tank with no change to my driving. I now get an additional 30-35 to each tank with normal driving although its more fun now so I can't really tell what i could get if i tried. I have had an additional 50 miles over what i could ever get before but that was hard as the sport is not really an eco car that's what the 3L is for. It certainly is a lot nicer to drive with the sport engine as it pulls from lower down the rev range. When I can can stop using the car every day i will start to do a few more things to it.

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Personally id use mdf, alot lighter than plywood, cheaper, and easyer to use,

Unless your having a pretty hardcore system mdf should be plenty strong enough,

Keep us updated, im thinking of doing something similar, just not sure if i want to loose the rear seats again!

Rich,

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This is what I have on the back of mine (not particularly good photo but you can get the idea):

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The flat floor is made of MDF and comes back to a short way behind where the rear seats used to be. The box is a bit of wood that attaches into the seat fixings, and the lid is a thin sheet that sits on the wood across and two rests opposite. I can store stuff out of sight in the box, or disassemble it within minutes if I need the bigger load space back. :)

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I havent no :( Its just a square basicly with 2 pieces making a cross inside it to give it some strength, if you make it cross just infront of the seat mounting you can put a piece of wood on the back side of it to hold the false floor firmly in place (basicly trapping it) just make sure it is a tight fit though as a tiny bit of monement would be very annoying :)

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I did this in my sport and have today subsequently decided to do it in my Gti, these are the plus points in my opinion,

1. Saves weight

2. Frees up tons of space (even for a girlfriends sized mega monthly shop at asda)

3. Dont have to give lifts to other people

4. Naturally it improves perfomance and the car is more responsive low end

5. Saves your rear seats getting sun bleeched and dirty as can be stored cleanly for if you come to sell

Bad point is people who see it will laugh at you and your car and think your a tit, but you get to wipe that off when you smoke em at the lights, and also it makes the weight distribution even less balance so be careful round them bends in the wet ya'll.

I just got hard wearing office flooring the same colour, cut it to shape and used all the bits of metal sticking up to fasten it down. Doesnt look half bad and is sod all aditional weight.

Victim number 1 of my new weight reduction.... 1x Black Saxo VTS.... Blitzed lmao :D

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My breakfast ways more than the rear seats in a lupo!

Personally i wouldnt strip it for the weight as they dont way much, if i stripped a car it would be done properly!,

Although a striped out lupo can hold tones of junk :)

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My breakfast ways more than the rear seats in a lupo!

Personally i wouldnt strip it for the weight as they dont way much, if i stripped a car it would be done properly!,

Although a striped out lupo can hold tones of junk :)

I disagree it does weigh a lot. If it didn't they would not have bothered changing them for the 3L.

Just with the back seats out you can tell the difference especially if you climb hills a lot as i do.

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I disagree it does weigh a lot. If it didn't they would not have bothered changing them for the 3L.

Just with the back seats out you can tell the difference especially if you climb hills a lot as i do.

yep i completely agree. as soon as you take em out you can feel the weight of them. stack them all up and carry them up the stairs and you can feel the weight your savin. i live in cornwall and deal with hills every day and the weight difference allows it to pull stronger and ultimately has made it more responsive. by just removing the back seats, this is the cheapest quickest way to feel noticeable power gain. that being of bhp to the ton. do it for a week then put em back in and then you will appreciate our point.

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