gargoil Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Ok I emailed this company and they have sent a lot of info about there products through and are posting out a brochure. A piggyback chip for the Lupo GTi is 245 bucks + mapping. The mapping includes time on a rolling road to get it just right! Someone, I think Twisty maybe was worried that the SKN replacement chip which I originally was interested in would not take into consideration replacement cams etcetc, this system does as each map is unique to the individual car! They seem really helpful and have 50 places through the UK and another 50 opening next year so it is a well established genuine company. I like the sound of their set up better than scottsmotorrune in Dover which I previously consulted as they kinda avoided a few crutial questions(specifically about the glue surrounding the ECU) and the piggyback type dosen't require the ecu to be opened up! Here is some generic info they sent me threw.....(There is a place in Dalgety Bay, Fyfe all you Scots out there!)The Unichip is a piggy back computer, thatworks in harmony with your standard ECU, it is mapped specifically to yourcar, and allows the operator to program it exactly to suit the thousands ofdifferences from one car to next, that `pre-programmed` chips can't take intoaccount, such as cam timing, manufacturing tolerances, different fuelqualities and pressures, and any aftermarket components. Therefore we don'treally go in for saying what power increase you will get, instead what we dopromise is that at full throttle you will have the maximum power availablesafely, and at part throttle the car will be as economical as possible. Atthe end of the day, all any chip or engine management system is doing is toprovide the correct amount of fuel in relationship to the amount of airbeing consumed, and ignite it at the correct time, so provided that they areequally accurate, they should all come out with the same result, providingthey are mapped to the individual engine in question by a competent tuner onan accurate dyno. This is where the Unichip wins, as they are not for sale`pre-programmed`, but mapped to each car by a skilled tuner on a dynamometer,we don't supply Unichips to anyone who doesn't own their own dyno. If at anytime in the future, any changes are made i.e. cams, headwork etc. simply popback into any authorised Unichip dealer, where the Unichip can be remappedto suit.The Unichip offers more than just timing and fuel adjustments, we can domore than most sub £1000 race ecu's (this is ECU only, not including mappingcosts!), such as launch control, shift lights, variable cam control, fullthrottle gear changes, nitrous control, ignition correction when nitrous isactivated, etc..The UNICHIP can be used for the following functions:Alter ignition timing in a 3D map down to 0.1degree resolution.Alter fuel mixture in a 3D map by +-50%.Control variable valve timing.Control variable induction systems.Control turbo wastegate solenoid systems.Record maximum boost pressure.Record maximum RPM.Water injection control.Nitrous oxide control.Automatic secondary map when water or nitrous is active.Automatic switch back to primary map when water or nitrous is low or`de-activated`Road speed governor delimiting.Calibration of electronic speedometers.Conversion of electronic speedometers from KMH to MPH.Drive additional fuel injectors, with variable blend control.Launch control.Full throttle gear changes.Idle speed stabilization.Conversion to individual throttle bodies on certain cars.Conversion of mechanical injection systems to full 3D fuel & ignitioncontrol.Conversion from flap type Air Flow meters to less restrictive Hot Filmmeters.Multiple maps to suit different fuels.Shift lightsAlter or implement rev limitsAlter or implement boost limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I like the sound of that, only problem I can see is that how can you tell that the tuner you go to knows what they are doing?"we don't supply Unichips to anyone who doesn't own their own dyno."What other requirments do tuners need to meet before being supplied, and called a authorised unichip dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 QUOTE(gargoil)The Unichip offers more than just timing and fuel adjustments, we can domore than most sub £1000 race ecu's ..... such as launch control, shift lights, variable cam control, fullthrottle gear changes, nitrous control, ignition correction when nitrous isactivated, etc..Launch control .... yummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 but they're not actually remapping the lupos own gti so if they make a mistake or something its on the unichip piggyback, don't worry I'll find out as much info as possible about it and possibly ask for a few customer references off the dealer brefore commiting!with my headwork/ cams/ chip...`160-170Bhp`! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":twisted:" border="0" alt="twisted.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Ask them what effect the ECU's `self-adaptation` has on this, if you could. It's easy to buy a chip that alters the parameters from the sensors so that the ECU puts more fuel in/alters ignition timing, but most modern ECUs will automatically compensate for this over a few hundred miles (or fall into limp mode and complain that the readings are out of valid range).I'm fundamentally doubtful of any chip costing £245 that claims to do all that - sounds like a more expensive of the 'gain 10bhp extra' claims on eBay.But I'm probably wrong. Would be interested to know how they claim to get around the `self-adapting` function of the ECU though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 To be fair, they do seem to be quite well thought of, from what I can find. Does seem to depend very much on the quality of the tuner though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Its 245 bucks plus mapping so I don't know what the total will be as I've to speak to them about what I want before they can give me a full quote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I'd be impressed if they could do it properly in less than 3 hours, so probably at least 200 quid for fitting.I'd happily pay `5-600` quid though... if it worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 when I've saved up my pennies and am due to get it done I'll ask them if they could give me a few phone numbers of people whose cars they have worked on to see if these people are happy with it or not!Only thing I'm worried about is the "Marc Trowsdale" syndrome that I might disapear once the car gets chipped! gulp! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossjohnc Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 That'd be a shame :wink: style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 :cry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossjohnc Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Just messin' getting me own back for the footie style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Oh are we still on that? whats the excuse now that UEFA have sided with the refs decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossjohnc Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 No - we're not still on that!!And UEFA have to side with the Ref, if they didn't it'd be a total farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted June 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 but I thought it was a total farce! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted July 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Just got the brochure through and it has a crap load of info in it answers all the questions snoopstah asked above! One of my mates lives in the same town where they're based and is gonna go take a look at it for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Cool. Can you request the brochure online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted July 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 email them at info@dastek.co.uk to request a brochureI asked them a few more questions this morning.....1.Can you give a rough estimate to the cost of the mapping/ RR session!The Unichip for your car fully fitted here in Dalgety Bay would be £350 +vat.2.Can you give a rough estimate to the Bhp increase as I want to get a quote from my insurer and they judge it if it is >5%, `5-10`%, <10% increase?The increase we normally see on your type of vehicle is normally in the 5 to 10 per cent bracket, although we never guarantee figures because this can vary so much from car to car3.The Lupo GTi's ECU is encased in glue to supposedly stop it beingmodified, would this present a problem connecting the unichip to it?Sealed Ecu`s don't cause any problem because we connect into the wiring loom and not the EcuSo in a few months think I may go for this but unfortunately my gf has just informed me I need to spend some money on the house instead of the car for a while! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 i'd spend £350+VAT on this if I thought it would work. Will ask for a brochure - just need to find somewhere nearby to do it that is recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Gargoil... I'd be interested in this (espec in a couple of months so I can scrape pennies together) & Dalgety Bay's a nice wee run down the road from me.Group `piggyback-chip`-fitment?Would be interesting to see the difference on a standard motor, compared to your modded one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluxCo Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 i would want one too for my afhcount me in guys!suddenly i dont want to sell my throttle bodies manifold anymorethe price of a dta had put me right off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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