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I realise the VX turbo is hairy enough as standard and tuning it to somewhere like 240bhp+ which is easily possible is making for a very hard to control car...I certainly would not keep it on the road long. Though if you want to go fast in a VX and can drive well surely that is the way to go.

Personally I agree with many of the other comments on this thread as my personal preference would be to get an n/a VX and throttle body it. I am not a fan of turbo power so that would be my choice. (Though I must add my mates Escort Cossie does put a smile on my face when it boosts up and lauches down the road with a huge whistle).

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with this and the exhaust thing...you're losing your touch

Let me explain it to you simply. VX = very light car. Very light car = spins wheels easily. Therefore adding an engine with lots of torque is pretty dumb because you just end up lighting up the wheels every time you try and go anywhere.

you'd have thought it'd be that easy wouldn't you....but standard turbos are too hairy for their own good...let alone tuned examples

Firstly, no they're not, and secondly, are you really saying that a VX with a 300bhp V6 engine in the back turning it into something resembling a 1980s 911 is easier to drive than a VX turbo?! rolleyes.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

The main reason the VX turbo is twitchy is because it has a huge dead spot around 3000rpm for emissions, which means that you go into a corner at about these revs, put your foot down because nothing happens, and suddenly as it reaches 3,500rpm all hell breaks loose. Remap it and the power delivery is much smoother as well as it having more power.

It's almost like you've not researched this at all wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Yep - darren people on the VX forum dont rate the turbo - the NA beats it on the track....

No it doesn't, 145bhp car doesn't beat 200bhp car on the track. It might be slightly faster in the corners, although realistically even then you'd be hard pushed. It's certainly more balanced though.

max / snoop

What front plates have you got and where from ?

I got mine from FancyPlates, but GT Grafix are supposed to be just as good. FancyPlates have the 3/4 size option to start with though.

Is the turbo VX honestly not as good or is it a case of sour grapes amongst the NA owners?

Just wondering that's all.

It's an exceptionally capable car that will leave the NA for dust when driven by a competent driver. It is a heavier car, and most of them have more creature comforts, which gets them away from the Colin Chapman ethos somewhat.

The NA is the choice for someone who wants a balanced car, it's insanely easy to balance it on the throttle. The turbo doesn't communicate to the driver as completely, and tends to be more tail-happy due to having approximately 80kg more weight at the back, but is still a superb-handling car.

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Thats more like it, good to see you putting effort into your posts again snoop. Agree with everything he^ said. biggrin.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

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i wasn't even going to bother replying, but as the post starts in such a patronising and condescending manner, i feel obliged to respond.

Let me explain it to you simply. VX = very light car. Very light car = spins wheels easily. Therefore adding an engine with lots of torque is pretty dumb because you just end up lighting up the wheels every time you try and go anywhere.

are you really saying that a VX with a 300bhp V6 engine in the back turning it into something resembling a 1980s 911 is easier to drive than a VX turbo?! rolleyes.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

thankyou for the information. having driven three different vx220s in anger, and not with a salesman or fellow forum member's car (na and turbo at the ascari circuit in spain and one over here), i appreciate that that vx is a light car. it's also a fantastic car.

the plans project x isn't a case of dropping a gm motors v6 into the back of a vx though. the chassis has been widened, lengthened and features a new subframe. it's kerb weight is 890kg, which at only 40kg more than the n/a vx, is pretty impressive. and it's lighter than a turbo vx by 40kg. a wider track will in theory allow progressive power delivery and the lengthened chassis and new subframe allow the reasonably heavy v6 engine to be mounted in a more effective location. it makes for the base of an interesting car to say the least and one that with the right tuning (turbo or supercharging), will be gunning for the likes of the noble. it's not a car that i have driven but as soon as my housemate does i'll get up to bruntingthopre to see what it's like. maybe your theory will be proved correct?

it's a credit to to chassis that this is sort of car it wil be chasing, but to say that it's a car ruined is missing the point. and the 911 comparison isn't approiate

The main reason the VX turbo is twitchy is because it has a huge dead spot around 3000rpm for emissions, which means that you go into a corner at about these revs, put your foot down because nothing happens, and suddenly as it reaches 3,500rpm all hell breaks loose. Remap it and the power delivery is much smoother as well as it having more power.

having never driven a mapped turbo i can't comment personally on their driving traits. the standard example had a real problem not with lag, but with power delivery on boost which makes for interesting handling on the limit. i was glad for a bit of run off put it that way. if a remap does indeed sort the power delivery than this is a valid point your making, from what i remember though of a past mixed vx shoot out, mapped turbos were still hairy.

It's almost like you've not researched this at all wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

i prefer a more hands on style of experience rather than simply hanging out on forums, or cutting and pasting from evo/autocar/whatever.

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I'll have you know I drove all the way to the shops in it on saturday tongue.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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I dount you could turbocharge the V6 in that modified VX easily. From what I remember at the Autosport Show it was a fairly highly tuned engine on ITBs. Turbos or a supercharger would be pretty hard to install and I'm not sure they'd really offer that much of an improvement.

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thankyou for the information. having driven three different vx220s in anger, and not with a salesman or fellow forum member's car (na and turbo at the ascari circuit in spain and one over here), i appreciate that that vx is a light car. it's also a fantastic car.

In that case why do you keep going on about understeer? The VX only understeers if you drive it like a FWD hatch.

the plans project x isn't a case of dropping a gm motors v6 into the back of a vx though. the chassis has been widened, lengthened and features a new subframe.

That's most of my issue with it to be honest. They've taken the tried and tested Elise chassis and, basically, screwed with it. If they're really really good, they might not have made it much worse, but I'm pretty damn sure they haven't made it any better.

Also I fundamentally disagree with a car that costs 50k and is no faster than an equivalent tuned VXT that could be bought for 22k, but that's a different issue.

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Anyway, back to my original question. wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Good info from you all as always. Shame I'll never fit in it, or if I did it would be hilarious in the extreme to see me trying to get out (the MX5 was bad enough).

Enjoy it Tim (though I'm sure there's not much chance you won't).

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well I have picked it up!

WOW! Its crazy, I still cant stop smiling about it.

It doesnt do heating and its stupidly impractical, but boy oh boy is it fun!

how is it in the snow tim? tongue.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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hope it's going well...a gold leaf rat stylz sticker would look on black biggrin.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

and snoop...i don't remember ever saying that vxs' understeer. maybe a little with slow stuff?

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invest in some rainex anti-fog for the interior and rain-ex standard for the screen. Helps when the screenwash freezes and the demister doesn't warm up biggrin.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

If you look on the vx forum there are a couple of fixes to check the ventilation pipes for leaks as the fit isn't always very good and to fix the heater dial to allow it to turn quite a bit further.

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