tdwindustries Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 ooooh 1 day to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINCOLNSHIRESLUPOGTI Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I realise the VX turbo is hairy enough as standard and tuning it to somewhere like 240bhp+ which is easily possible is making for a very hard to control car...I certainly would not keep it on the road long. Though if you want to go fast in a VX and can drive well surely that is the way to go.Personally I agree with many of the other comments on this thread as my personal preference would be to get an n/a VX and throttle body it. I am not a fan of turbo power so that would be my choice. (Though I must add my mates Escort Cossie does put a smile on my face when it boosts up and lauches down the road with a huge whistle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMon Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 (edited) Is the turbo VX honestly not as good or is it a case of sour grapes amongst the NA owners? Just wondering that's all. Edited February 21, 2006 by BigMon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 No, it genuinely seems like the concensus on the forum.... but then the turbo did win evo car of the year last yeareither way no sour grapes here, the thought of any vx makes me happy right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 with this and the exhaust thing...you're losing your touchLet me explain it to you simply. VX = very light car. Very light car = spins wheels easily. Therefore adding an engine with lots of torque is pretty dumb because you just end up lighting up the wheels every time you try and go anywhere.you'd have thought it'd be that easy wouldn't you....but standard turbos are too hairy for their own good...let alone tuned examplesFirstly, no they're not, and secondly, are you really saying that a VX with a 300bhp V6 engine in the back turning it into something resembling a 1980s 911 is easier to drive than a VX turbo?! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> The main reason the VX turbo is twitchy is because it has a huge dead spot around 3000rpm for emissions, which means that you go into a corner at about these revs, put your foot down because nothing happens, and suddenly as it reaches 3,500rpm all hell breaks loose. Remap it and the power delivery is much smoother as well as it having more power.It's almost like you've not researched this at all style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />Yep - darren people on the VX forum dont rate the turbo - the NA beats it on the track....No it doesn't, 145bhp car doesn't beat 200bhp car on the track. It might be slightly faster in the corners, although realistically even then you'd be hard pushed. It's certainly more balanced though.max / snoopWhat front plates have you got and where from ?I got mine from FancyPlates, but GT Grafix are supposed to be just as good. FancyPlates have the 3/4 size option to start with though.Is the turbo VX honestly not as good or is it a case of sour grapes amongst the NA owners? Just wondering that's all.It's an exceptionally capable car that will leave the NA for dust when driven by a competent driver. It is a heavier car, and most of them have more creature comforts, which gets them away from the Colin Chapman ethos somewhat.The NA is the choice for someone who wants a balanced car, it's insanely easy to balance it on the throttle. The turbo doesn't communicate to the driver as completely, and tends to be more tail-happy due to having approximately 80kg more weight at the back, but is still a superb-handling car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 but what would u know! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Thats more like it, good to see you putting effort into your posts again snoop. Agree with everything he^ said. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 me too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonJ Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 i wasn't even going to bother replying, but as the post starts in such a patronising and condescending manner, i feel obliged to respond. Let me explain it to you simply. VX = very light car. Very light car = spins wheels easily. Therefore adding an engine with lots of torque is pretty dumb because you just end up lighting up the wheels every time you try and go anywhere.are you really saying that a VX with a 300bhp V6 engine in the back turning it into something resembling a 1980s 911 is easier to drive than a VX turbo?! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />thankyou for the information. having driven three different vx220s in anger, and not with a salesman or fellow forum member's car (na and turbo at the ascari circuit in spain and one over here), i appreciate that that vx is a light car. it's also a fantastic car. the plans project x isn't a case of dropping a gm motors v6 into the back of a vx though. the chassis has been widened, lengthened and features a new subframe. it's kerb weight is 890kg, which at only 40kg more than the n/a vx, is pretty impressive. and it's lighter than a turbo vx by 40kg. a wider track will in theory allow progressive power delivery and the lengthened chassis and new subframe allow the reasonably heavy v6 engine to be mounted in a more effective location. it makes for the base of an interesting car to say the least and one that with the right tuning (turbo or supercharging), will be gunning for the likes of the noble. it's not a car that i have driven but as soon as my housemate does i'll get up to bruntingthopre to see what it's like. maybe your theory will be proved correct?it's a credit to to chassis that this is sort of car it wil be chasing, but to say that it's a car ruined is missing the point. and the 911 comparison isn't approiateThe main reason the VX turbo is twitchy is because it has a huge dead spot around 3000rpm for emissions, which means that you go into a corner at about these revs, put your foot down because nothing happens, and suddenly as it reaches 3,500rpm all hell breaks loose. Remap it and the power delivery is much smoother as well as it having more power.having never driven a mapped turbo i can't comment personally on their driving traits. the standard example had a real problem not with lag, but with power delivery on boost which makes for interesting handling on the limit. i was glad for a bit of run off put it that way. if a remap does indeed sort the power delivery than this is a valid point your making, from what i remember though of a past mixed vx shoot out, mapped turbos were still hairy.It's almost like you've not researched this at all style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />i prefer a more hands on style of experience rather than simply hanging out on forums, or cutting and pasting from evo/autocar/whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 you go girl!I agree with everything ^ he said style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Dont listen to that^ guy, hes a fool style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonJ Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 don't listen to ^^ that guy though. i doubt he remembers what a vx drives like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'll have you know I drove all the way to the shops in it on saturday style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 7 hours till I collect her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 where from? Im sure I may have missed that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 macclesfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArosaMike Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I dount you could turbocharge the V6 in that modified VX easily. From what I remember at the Autosport Show it was a fairly highly tuned engine on ITBs. Turbos or a supercharger would be pretty hard to install and I'm not sure they'd really offer that much of an improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 thankyou for the information. having driven three different vx220s in anger, and not with a salesman or fellow forum member's car (na and turbo at the ascari circuit in spain and one over here), i appreciate that that vx is a light car. it's also a fantastic car.In that case why do you keep going on about understeer? The VX only understeers if you drive it like a FWD hatch.the plans project x isn't a case of dropping a gm motors v6 into the back of a vx though. the chassis has been widened, lengthened and features a new subframe.That's most of my issue with it to be honest. They've taken the tried and tested Elise chassis and, basically, screwed with it. If they're really really good, they might not have made it much worse, but I'm pretty damn sure they haven't made it any better.Also I fundamentally disagree with a car that costs 50k and is no faster than an equivalent tuned VXT that could be bought for 22k, but that's a different issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 anyone know the price of milk today? style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMon Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Anyway, back to my original question. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Good info from you all as always. Shame I'll never fit in it, or if I did it would be hilarious in the extreme to see me trying to get out (the MX5 was bad enough).Enjoy it Tim (though I'm sure there's not much chance you won't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 well I have picked it up!WOW! Its crazy, I still cant stop smiling about it. It doesnt do heating and its stupidly impractical, but boy oh boy is it fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 well I have picked it up!WOW! Its crazy, I still cant stop smiling about it. It doesnt do heating and its stupidly impractical, but boy oh boy is it fun!how is it in the snow tim? style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonJ Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 hope it's going well...a gold leaf rat stylz sticker would look on black style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> and snoop...i don't remember ever saying that vxs' understeer. maybe a little with slow stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 invest in some rainex anti-fog for the interior and rain-ex standard for the screen. Helps when the screenwash freezes and the demister doesn't warm up style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />If you look on the vx forum there are a couple of fixes to check the ventilation pipes for leaks as the fit isn't always very good and to fix the heater dial to allow it to turn quite a bit further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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