muzzy Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Ive seen the lupo on jbsautodesigns website.That thing must fly......Anybody had any quotes on how much it cost to have a 1.8t fitted to their lupo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Open check book really.Your looking around £7-10k depending how far you want to go.Or how far the garage want to go to rip you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzy Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 ooooo style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> I thought you'd be talking close to 2k for a 1.8t lump fitting, and maybe 1k for a 1.8t engine and gearbox. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Yes, £1k for the engine and box.About £2k if you fit it yourself, but a credit card car will cost a crap load more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 ooooo style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> I thought you'd be talking close to 2k for a 1.8t lump fitting, and maybe 1k for a 1.8t engine and gearbox. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":wacko:" border="0" alt="wacko.gif" />whoa....love to live in the reality where that happens!!!£2500 gets you a 2L 16v engine fitted to a mk1 golf...thats about the easiest conversion thats going......just keep on working up from there.....got £20k? then tsr will fit an rs4 engine to your passat or mk4 golf....i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 you can get 2.5k for fitting a 2L 16v to a mk1 golf !!!!! ,i am gonna start doing conversions full time in that case , i could even take my time lets see 1 a week would make me well off, lolseriously tho thats a ridiculous amountrs 4 engines i know of 2 for 2k each with all ancilaries necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 its down souf though mitch...people will pay anything down here.labour rates are high...like stupid high at some of the "specialists".some of the bodyshops down here are on crack too.was quoted £4k to respray my polo in the same factory black it was coated in......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirez Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Ive seen the lupo on jbsautodesigns website.That thing must fly......Anybody had any quotes on how much it cost to have a 1.8t fitted to their lupo?Iirc Superlupos spent near on 10k on his 1.8T and its still not finnished! But then hes spent alot of money to put everything in place for a BIG power hike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) you can get 2.5k for fitting a 2L 16v to a mk1 golf !!!!! ,i am gonna start doing conversions full time in that case , i could even take my time lets see 1 a week would make me well off, lolseriously tho thats a ridiculous amountrs 4 engines i know of 2 for 2k each with all ancilaries necessary. open the unit buddy style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumbup:" border="0" alt="thumbup.gif" /> Edited October 27, 2005 by noddy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINCOLNSHIRESLUPOGTI Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 It is going to cost me about £2500 for my throttle bodies and management fitted to my gti engine. The engine does not need to be removed/refitted so that is an idea of how much labour costs these days!Was quoted £8000 plus for a 1.8T in my Gti but that is stupid money and with only the 150bhp spec why bother. Get 170bhp from bodies, proper noise, leave the correct engine in the car and save £5500. Always the option of cams and head work later on for another 20bhp as well.Sorry I have gone off on one have'nt I style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 It is going to cost me about £2500 for my throttle bodies and management fitted to my gti engine. The engine does not need to be removed/refitted so that is an idea of how much labour costs these days!Was quoted £8000 plus for a 1.8T in my Gti but that is stupid money and with only the 150bhp spec why bother. Get 170bhp from bodies, proper noise, leave the correct engine in the car and save £5500. Always the option of cams and head work later on for another 20bhp as well.Sorry I have gone off on one have'nt I style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />thats not bad for the bodie's buddy i would be happy with that style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzy Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 It is going to cost me about £2500 for my throttle bodies and management fitted to my gti engine. The engine does not need to be removed/refitted so that is an idea of how much labour costs these days!Was quoted £8000 plus for a 1.8T in my Gti but that is stupid money and with only the 150bhp spec why bother. Get 170bhp from bodies, proper noise, leave the correct engine in the car and save £5500. Always the option of cams and head work later on for another 20bhp as well.Sorry I have gone off on one have'nt I style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />150bhp 1.8t engine can have the ecu remapped (dont need anything else) to 220bhp for £500220bhp in a lupo style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":o" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 not quite right........some of the 150bhp engine can be mapped to about 200bhp (the later fly by wire), but 220bhp is a bit of a tuners boast...and is pushing the engine/turbo a bit....for that sort of power people like amd are changing turbos and exhausts..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzy Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 (edited) not quite right........some of the 150bhp engine can be mapped to about 200bhp (the later fly by wire), but 220bhp is a bit of a tuners boast...and is pushing the engine/turbo a bit....for that sort of power people like amd are changing turbos and exhausts.....not quite right mate style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> Got my figures a little wrong, see below(pre 2000 1.8t) - Non drive by wire 1.8t with ko3 standard with just remap = 190bhp/220lbft(Post 2000 1.8t) - Drive by wire 1.8t with K03s turbo standard with just remap = 210-215bhp/240lbft(pre 2000 1.8t) - Non drive by wire 1.8t with ko3 with 3'' downpipe, sports cat and remap = 200bhp/230lbft(Post 2000 1.8t) - Drive by wire 1.8t with K03s turbo 3'' downpipe, sports cat and remap = 225-235bhp/240lbft240bhp is the reliable limit of the K03s turbo.as regards engine, the 1.8t lump is good for around 300bhp in standard trim without affecting reliabilty. Just wack a large turbo and away you go.check out these sites for more infobig turbo for 1.8thttp://www.atpturbo.com/root/releases/release041205.htm Edited October 27, 2005 by muzzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The subtle modder Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 My uncle owns a skoda octavia VRS pushing out standard 180bhp and was gonna have it chipped to 220bhp but recons that much power through the front wheels is stupid as hes used to rear wheel drive which controls it so much better, so to have more than that power in a lupo which is half the size of an octavia you really must have lost your marbles its like signing your own death warant, reallyOne of the best 1.8T lupo's ive seen is the Venom motorsport green machine which pushed out 340bhp but had to be 'detuned' to 300bhp but that really is a drag carHow heavy is the 1.8T lump compared to a gti lump? sounds daft but in nova's when you put a 2.0 engine in it rashes the handling as the front end becomes too heavy therefore destroying the driving enjoyment of the car IMOwayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 not quite right mate style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />dam you and your pesky accuracy! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />from what i understand its only some of the engines that can handle 300bhp without internals...being the s3, and audi tt 225 lumps.....could be wrong but thats what ive been told.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 But then the 225 K04 engines came with other issues that ment tuneing these were slightly pointless unless you engine melt down.The 150 and 180 engines were better base models if I remember correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snotagolf Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 My uncle owns a skoda octavia VRS pushing out standard 180bhp and was gonna have it chipped to 220bhp but recons that much power through the front wheels is stupid as hes used to rear wheel drive which controls it so much better, so to have more than that power in a lupo which is half the size of an octavia you really must have lost your marbles its like signing your own death warant, reallyOne of the best 1.8T lupo's ive seen is the Venom motorsport green machine which pushed out 340bhp but had to be 'detuned' to 300bhp but that really is a drag carHow heavy is the 1.8T lump compared to a gti lump? sounds daft but in nova's when you put a 2.0 engine in it rashes the handling as the front end becomes too heavy therefore destroying the driving enjoyment of the car IMOwayneThank for the complement my lupo is running 340bhp it NEVER hit over 300 and as for handling it drives like factory and more power is to come for 2006 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINCOLNSHIRESLUPOGTI Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Yes you can tune the 1.8T but the point is it is £8000+ just for a basic spec. Add a chip new turbo, bigger intercooler etc, etc and it is over £9000 for 280ish bhp.I would think a 190bhp throttle bodied, cammed and head worked Lupo would not be far off the tuned turbo in everything bar a straight drag race. And for the little bit that the throttle bodied car was left behind you could think "ah, my car was £6500 cheaper than the turbo.....and it sounds like and aural orgasm".And the 1.8T would have only 5 gears to play with as the 6 speed box for that series of engine doesnt fit in the Lupo, not that important but it is nice to keep 6 all the same.On the tuning of the 1.8T, I think it is the AGU engine code you want. These I believe have better internal cooling of the head and a forged bottom end. Please correct me though if I am wrong here.The reason my throttle body work is a reasonable price (though I dont think cheap by any means) is that I know the guy doing it and spent stacks of money at his business a few years ago when he built me a full race spec mini engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snotagolf Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 As for a 200 bhp lupo non turbo being close sorry thats crap the torque of the turbo engine says it all and who needs 6 gears i dont my advise to the guy is buy one all ready done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The subtle modder Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Thank for the complement my lupo is running 340bhp it NEVER hit over 300 and as for handling it drives like factory and more power is to come for 2006 style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />Im obviously going to have to stop reading fastcar mag then style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> , so you own the venom lupo? how much did you pay, and also how much power are you aiming for now?wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin CUK Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I would never believe what you read in mags such like Fast Car/Max Power as the majority of time it's ****! I know of so many cars that have been featured in those mags with false information in the articles it's untrue...Bill Brockbank had JBS do the 1.8T is his wife's Lupo, but I'm pretty sure it didn't cost him £8k for it...AND, there are a numerous 150 1.8T engines running IHI turbo's (300+ bhp) without any internal modifications, and they're reliable. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) Some proppa info here.JBS are quoteing £7.5k for a minor build.Here Edited October 31, 2005 by Tigz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The subtle modder Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 thats silly monyey IMO surely someone must do a kit to do the conversion? like with novas and corsa you can but an XE conversion kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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