Mattz341 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Looking to swap the 5speed in my 01 gti to a 6 speed, is it a straight swap or what's needed? Thanks in advance!Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Found a couple of threads that say it can be done, then a few that say it's more than just the box needed. Last thing posted was rich saying it's a simple swap, if someone can just clarify that for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon5 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Rich will be correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 That's what I thought lol! What does he do? As a profession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 That's what I thought lol! What does he do? As a profession?professional singer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Haha, no really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Haha, no really?I only post facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Wow, if you're not having me on then I didn't expect that! And anyway Dblock, can you shed any light on my question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Wow, if you're not having me on then I didn't expect that! And anyway Dblock, can you shed any light on my question?Sorry mate I can't. I only actually clicked onto the thread since I thought it was a tdi question. Why do you want to swap you box broken or you want the longer gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Bit of both really, my synchro for third is on it's way out and If I'm replacing the box then I thought about upgrading to the 6 speed, one other thing! Does the 6 speed have a limited slip diff in it? As my 5 speed does now. Just wondered if it was a standard, if I was going for the longer 6th then I'd probably swap it out with another gear as the 5th gear and 6th gear in each box respectively is pretty similar ratio wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Bit of both really, my synchro for third is on it's way out and If I'm replacing the box then I thought about upgrading to the 6 speed, one other thing! Does the 6 speed have a limited slip diff in it? As my 5 speed does now. Just wondered if it was a standard, if I was going for the longer 6th then I'd probably swap it out with another gear as the 5th gear and 6th gear in each box respectively is pretty similar ratio wise.How smart are you? (I'm not being insulting)If you're thinking on ratios, there is definately some fun to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Quite, I can work out gear ratios if needed lol Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 What type of LSD do.you have ATM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 The standard one in the 5 speed? I'm not sure what the history of the car is tbh, it's a 2001 fhf gearbox I think... Off of the top of my head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 The standard one in the 5 speed? I'm not sure what the history of the car is tbh, it's a 2001 fhf gearbox I think... Off of the top of my head?Are you sure a lupo gti has a LSD? I don't know but I'm sure it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 It doesn't, Quaiffe developed a few then no more.Until the FSI engines brought back the 02T gearbox, now there are a lot more options available including ratios and diffs are readily available now too.I learnt this when I was changing a third and the baulk ring has been superseded by the TSI item but the actual synchro hasn't, you can't use one without the other.Thank you for all that dissasembly/reassembly VW. I wouldn't have been so annoyed except this is only noticeable when it is all assembled and back in the car.So if you're game, feel free to explore the ratios and report back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Quick question then, the standard test to see if it's an open or LSD would be to jack the front of the vehicle up and put the car into 1st or any gear and try and then turn the wheel, if just one wheel spins then it's an open diff, right? But if both spin it generally means that it's an LSD yeah? Anyway that's slightly off topic, I'd consider changing the ratios, I'll have to look into what the standard is now and then have a think lol, I do a lot of long journey driving as I'm part of a race team and we go all over the place so I'd be looking for a comfortable 6th gear to sit at 80. Because realistically that's the kind of speed I'll be siting at! So just to confirm, it's a direct swap, I don't need new drive shafts or a new linkage or anything and it mounts using the standard ones I have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Yes, that is how you test for an LSD off the car, driving it you would know straight away.Everyone likes a nice 80 ratio, that is the accepted speed.Straight swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Then I do have an LSD as when the car was in the air both wheels turned when one was.As for the driving, I wouldn't know what the difference was to be honest as I've not driven anything but Lupo's!Brilliant, thanks for clearing that up for me Rich!Also, what do you do as a profession? I don't trust Dblock's answer lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I do scheduling for a couple of chicks, organise their calenders, that kinda thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattz341 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Right I suppose I'll stop poking my nose in then Found these values for gear ratios for the 6 speed box. Gonna have a look at ETKA and see if i can find any more data on them. Transmission / Gear ratio1th gear ratio:3,17:12th gear ratio:1,96:13th gear ratio:1,39:14th gear ratio:1,14:15th gear ratio:0,93:16th gear ratio:0,78:1With the final drive being 4.19:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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