comdw Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 My girlfriend is considering buying an Arosa or Lupo 1.4 and I've been looking at the technical data for the available engines (especially on the earlier models). Information seems to vary wildly between websites, but it seems that the 1.4 Lupo engines are always faster than the Arosa ones (possible exception being the 1.4 Sport?). Is that correct?What is the MPi engine on the Seat and how does it compare to non MPi version?Are Lupo 1.4 engines ALWAYS 16v?Which Arosa engines are 8v and which are 16v?Is there a definitive list of all the available engines for both the models and the associated technical data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_slipp Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Both Lupos and Arosas have 1.4 in both 8v and 16v. Same engines so should be same figures.Arosa 1.4 8v is available from around 1997 R to present.Arosa 1.4 16v Sport started in 2000 W plate Mk1.Arosa Mk2 came out in 2001 on Y plate in both 1.4 16v sport and 8v.As for the lupo i aint too sure of the dates but again both 1.4 8v and 16v are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbin Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 im sure the lupo only came in 1.4 16valve one at 75bhp and the other at 100bhp. Dont forget the lupo TDI which is also a 1.4 but has 6 valves style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveski Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Both petrol Lupo 1.4's are 16v engines - one 75bhp (E and S models) and the other 100bhp (Sport model). The arosa 1.4 Sport has the same 16v/100bhp as the Lupo but the other 1.4 Version is just an 8v unit (`Multi-Point` Injection) and is basically an old polo engine with @ 58bhp I think. That said Seat `re-introduced` a 1.4 in late '03(?) and I don't know what engine that one uses?Performance figures on the Arosa probably vary as many will be shown with the `auto-box` fitted (no cost option on the early ones). From what I recall the top speed on a 1.4 mpi with Manual Gearbox was @ 99mph and `0-60` in @ 13.4 - add about 2 seconds for the automatic version?Lupo 75bhp = @ 109mph, `0-60` in @ 11.2, `30-70` thru gears @ 11.5.Lupo 100bhp = @ 116mph, `0-60` in @ 10.0, `30-70` thru gears @ 10.2.Many Arosa 1.4 mpi sellers claim that there car is identical to a 1.4 Lupo but as you can see the engine is a less powerful and older one - personally I would go for the Lupo 75bhp over the Arosa 1.4 mpi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one litre wonder ;) Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 if i remember rightly as well as cliveski said , the lupo sport has a faster `0-60` time than the arosa sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 They did a 1.4 8v Lupo, which was also available in the Mk5 Polo. Was 60bhp, but was discontinued pretty early on I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveski Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 The @ 58bhp 1.4 8v unit did appear in the 2000 - 2002 Polo (alongside the more expensive 75bhp 1.4 16v unit) . . . but it was never used in the UK Lupo I'm 100% sure of it!For what it's worth I have owned two 1999 T reg 1.4 Lupo's and both had the 16v (75bhp)engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Loop Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 from what i know 1.4 8v was never sold in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comdw Posted April 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Thanks Cliveski - thats exactly the info I was after! I'm quite surprised that the 100bhp `0-60` time is only a second faster than the 75bhp... but basically I want to steer clear of the sluggish Arosa 1.4 MPi.I believe I'm right in thinking that when it comes to the TDI sport, there is no difference between the Arosa and Lupo versions. In fact as the Arosa is slightly lighter, the `0-60` is listed as faster for an Arosa TDI. Pity there aren't more of these around at a reasonable price... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanGTI Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 id go for a 16v 1.4 arosa if you can get it. they are very quick look better than the lupo and are apparently a touch lighter and have a couple of improvements over the lupo. also, youll be able to pick one up much cheaper than the lupo version if you can actually find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveski Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 If you can find an Arosa 16v Sport or TDI they are worth seeking out.I have owned two 75bhp models and a 100bhp model too - I found the difference in power was not that noticeable in everyday driving (possibly because the torque is at lower revs in the 75bhp model) but it is noticeable if your pushing on - especially when overtaking and when in 5th gear on the motorway.If your after a cheap 1.4 Lupo let me know as I know where there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comdw Posted April 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 One more question: How can you tell the difference between a 1.4 Sport (100bhp) and a 1.4 S (75bhp)?Are there cosmetic differences with the car, or is it just the engine thats different? Come to think about it, are there any differences between the engines apart from the chip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris260 Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 The Sport has a centre exit exhaust and has 16V badges as standard. And the newer ones have a gti interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Come to think about it, are there any differences between the engines apart from the chip?Yes, lots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Its in the tuning section... do a search! If i remember correctly its valves/head/pistons/cam?25 bhp is quite a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavs_arosa16v Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 SEATArosa1.4 16V Sport 3d GeneralProduction: 15 Dec 2000 until 24 May 2004Length: 3551 mmWidth: 1639 mmHeight: 1460 mmWeight: 946 kgFuel Delivery: Multi point fuel injectionTransmission: ManualGears: 5 SpeedPerformanceEngine Size: 1390 ccCylinders: 4`0-60` mph: 9.7 sPower Output: 98 bhpValves: 16Torque: 128 NmTorque: 94 lb/ftTop Speed: 117 mphVolkswagenLupo1.4 Sport 3dGeneralProduction: 23 Jun 1999 until nowLength: 3527 mmWidth: 1639 mmHeight: 1459 mmWeight: 1005 kgFuel Delivery: Multi point fuel injectionTransmission: ManualGears: 5 SpeedPerformanceEngine Size: 1390 ccCylinders: 4`0-60` mph: 9.7 sPower Output: 98 bhpValves: 16Torque: 126 NmTorque: 92 lb/ftTop Speed: 116 mphVolkswagenLupo1.4 S 3dGeneralProduction: 15 Feb 1999 until nowLength: 3527 mmWidth: 1639 mmHeight: 1459 mmWeight: 997 kgFuel Delivery: Multi point fuel injectionTransmission: ManualGears: 5 SpeedPerformanceEngine Size: 1390cc Cylinders: 4`0-60` mph: 11.6sPower Output: 73bhpValves: 16Torque: 126 NmTorque: 92lb/ftTop Speed: 106mph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbin Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 mmm the arosa sport has 1 more Nm of torque than the lupo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavs_arosa16v Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Arosa 16v = 104 bhp per tonneLupo 16v sport = 98 bhp per tonneLupo 16v = 73 bhp per tonneLupo gti = 121 bhp per tonneAll my info is from parkers apart from the above which I caculated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavs_arosa16v Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 So dont race an arosa you know its going to make all the difference style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveski Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Differences between a standard 1.4 S and a standard 1.4 Sport:1.4 S has discs on front, drums on rear - Sport has disc brakes `all-round` + ABS1.4 S has a normal exhaust - Sport has a chrome centre exhaust1.4 S has opening rear windows - Sport doesn't 1.4 S doesn't have front fog lights - Sport has1.4 S has 13" steel wheels + full size spare (I think) - Sport has 14" alloys and a space saver.1.4 S has manually adjusted mirrors - Sport has electric1.4 S has 'normal' windscreen washers - Sport has heated washer jetsSeat fabrics and on door cards are different.Sport `red-lines` at a higher rev band than the 1.4 S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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