Motormouth Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Does anyone know if GTi's have can-bus or not, if they do is it from a certain year or all of them.If not does anyone know where I could get a can-bus emulator/simulator from, has anyone on here had any experience with one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Highly doubtful you will be able to get one of those, the lupo has an extreemly small canbus suystem, its nothing like the systems in the later cars we see now.I take it your trying to get the MK6 buttons on the steering wheel to work? I bought one with the blanks installed for the very same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motormouth Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 No, i'm trying to get a later spec headunit to work that runs on can-bus.Won't the can-bus of the lupo work to switch the radio on/off which is what I need with the ignition or is it too basic?I have found some emulator/simulators/adapters whatever there called but the ones I have seen are about £100 which is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I know its pretty basic, but im really not 100% sure if it will work like you want it to, im sure someone will be along soon who coudl tell you.John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motormouth Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Ok John cheers, I suppose if I just knew where the can-bus wires ran if there are some then I could try and splice into them and try it out. I think there are normally 2 orange wires and are twisted together? Edited February 12, 2010 by Motormouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 This Might help, these are the can bus wires that go in to the back for the dash panel insert.Blue Plug 1 - Terminal 15, positive 2 - Right turn signal warning lamp 3 - E. speedometer output 4 - Not assigned 5 - Fuel gauge sender 6 - Airbag 7 - Sensor earth, terminal 31 8 - Coolant temperature sender 9 - Terminal 31, earth 10 - Oil pressure switch, high 11 - Speed signal 12 - Alternator warning lamp, terminal 61 13 - Glow period warning lamp or catalytic converter monitor warning lamp → Note 14 - Rear fog light warning lamp 15 - Not assigned 16 - Rear lid 17 - Main beam warning lamp, terminal 56a 18 - Left turn signal warning lamp 19 - Anti-lock brake system (ABS) 20 - Dash panel insert illumination, terminal 58d 21 - Driver door open signal 22 - Coolant shortage indicator 23 - Terminal 30, clock 24 - Terminal 31, earth 25 - Self-diagnosis, K wire 26 - Right parking light 27 - Left parking light 28 - E. speedometer input 29 - Brakes general 30 - S-contact 31 - Seat belt 32 - Side light warning lamp or exhaust emissions warning lampGreen Plug 5 - EPS (electromechanical power steering) → Note 15 - EPC → Note 19 - CAN high 20 - CAN low 25 - Reset 26 - Ambient temperature → Note 27 - CAN high external 28 - CAN low externalJohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motormouth Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Thanks for that, I will have ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 WTF is a can-bus??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 ^ Honesty is the best policy Ben haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 its like a can.... in a busControl Area Network iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 so like a ship in a bottle. kind of!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 no that would be bus can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshB&D Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 WTF is a can-bus??? i was just about to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motormouth Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Does anyone know the difference between can high can low and can high external can low external? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motormouth Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Does anyone know where other than to the dash panel insert the can bus wires run? I take it they go to the ecu but do they go to anything else, has the lupo got a central convenience unit like the golf?Where is the ecu on a lupo and does anyone have a wiring diagram for it? Just wondered where the can bus wires can be found easiest as it sounds a big job getting to the dash panel plug - is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I think the convinience unit in the gti is behind the fuse box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99hjhm Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Which head unit are you trying to fit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbeth! Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Does anyone know the difference between can high can low and can high external can low external?I think this may be High speed and Low speed Can, usually cars will have 2 CAN systems, running to different ECUs depending on the bandwidth they require. Not sure about the external bit though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motormouth Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Thanks john will have a look.James trying to fit the rcd200, nothing flash at the minute but the one I have runs on can bus think earlier ones didn't, if I can get this to work without buying an adapter might try and fit something better in the future. Suits the Lupo dash, plays mp3's and can't be arsed with having to detach a faceplate all the time.Figured the wiring now as long as I can find the can bus wires, obviously want to find them closest to the stereo and on a connecting block so I can join the wires there without cutting the loom.Has anyone got all the wiring diagrams for the Lupo GTi? Or if not just the pin identification for the ecu and convenience unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pro3mark Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Did anyone just think of the can can reading how many cans are in this can thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99hjhm Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Have alook at this thread.http://forums.clublupo.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=57939&hl=rcd200&st=20The convenience unit isn't actually a full system like a Mk4 Golf, only works wipers, locks etc.. Think it's called a central locking control module on a Lupo, very dificult to access, it is above the fuse box.Have you looked on UKMKiv's? Quite alot of info on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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