§tefano Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Hello! Can you HELP me? excuse me for this BAD english, but I'm Italian and I don't write well... but understand I have a Polo 1.4 75hp with a AUA engine.If I do an upgrade to 101hp AUB engine is possible to do? or the simply way is to mounting the brother AUB on my car?I can't change the engine, but I can replace some part...I was seen ETKA program to have an idea for my project..The difference between aua and aub, with the same bore are (if that is correct..):ECU box,Inlet Manifold,Throttle Body,AirBox,(head and other parts, ok are different but, in my opinion, are not necessary to change.. not?)Now I have a magneti marelli ECU box with immo and trasponder chip from GTI model (polo).I suppose to change the pair of camshaft with a CatCams or Schrick kit specific for AUB head IF I can't istall the pair from 101/gti model.For the throttle I suppose if I buy a model from GTI/101 I can instal this with a simply mod on the original plastic manifold and air box.But if I found the GTI inlet can I mount this on my head? Is it compatible? thank to all, Stefano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Hi Stefano, welcome to the Club The Cams are different as is the inlet manifold, throttle body and exhaust manifold.You do have the benefit of having the better of the two ECU's, the magneti marelli is able to be fully remapped. If you can find a Polo GTI inlet manifold and (cable operated) throttle body, a Raceland Manifold and a remap you should be good for close to 100 bhp.One member added these items to his 75 hp Lupo with some good success. If it was me though, I'd find a Polo GTI engine and fit it to your gearbox Cheapest way of giving the power you want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 thanks tigz for your reply!Well, but for me, a big problem is the electronic...I don't have any idea about cabling of throttle plug... Some people install vdo throttle body from any model of the vw/audi group (ex on r32 the throttle from other...) without problem. Are you sure if the ex manifold isn't the same, on etka have the same part number, is it a mistake? Only with aftermarket cams (for my original engine), throttle body (gti), ecu (gti with original map), can i have a good increase of the power?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 You could use your standard exhaust manifold but the difference from using a Raceland manifold is dramatic.The inlet maniold from a GTI fits to your head, so you may as well use a GTI inlet rather than a 100 hp one.You could do it without Cams, it depends how far you want to go.If you could find an older cable throttle Polo GTI engine the wiring is pretty much indentical.The only exception being the VVT plug, but this is included in the small injector loom so isn't really a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 You could use your standard exhaust manifold but the difference from using a Raceland manifold is dramatic.The inlet maniold from a GTI fits to your head, so you may as well use a GTI inlet rather than a 100 hp one.You could do it without Cams, it depends how far you want to go.If you could find an older cable throttle Polo GTI engine the wiring is pretty much indentical.The only exception being the VVT plug, but this is included in the small injector loom so isn't really a problem.I have the same opinion about the EX manifold but I don't buy all I want (I have a limited money for that ), even in the future.... OK, but now I don't understand well.. lol.. the problem of being Italian! lol!But 101hp and 125hp gti manifold is the same on polo (same code, i see etka)... the 2 engine mount a mani with a lateral (on the battery side) throttle (on 75, 101 & 125hp is in the same position!).I don't understand if the manifold of gti (alu type, 036129711bs) is fittable on 75hp without mod...The cams for me is the last step, with the ecu of gti... but manifold and throttle i mount when arrive at home!Old GTI have an identical connection of throttle? and other type? Where is the difference between all type?"""The only exception being the VVT plug, but this is included in the small injector loom so isn't really a problem."""Excuse me, what is VVT, and where is the plug? you know if this manifold is compatible? I don't know the code but VW was made 2 type of mani, a plastic and a alu type.... view this photo...Do you think can i mount that on my engine? (is a 1.4 16v 6N, not 6N2 mani...)thanks! Stefano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 I do not know.Mitch may know, he has a 6N 1.4 16v cylinder head on his 6N2 GTI block.The only engines I have had, so have even looked at is a 1.0 8v, a 75 hp 1.4 16v and a Polo GTI engine.I do not know if the 100 bhp uses the same inlet manifold as the Polo GTI.What I do know is the Polo GTI inlet manifold I sold to a member on here had a cable operated throttle body attached to it.I know they are rare, but they must be around.Good luck with the project by the way, looking forward to seeing how you get on. I'll send Mitch an PM and ask if he could have a look.But he doesn't have internet at home at the moment so it may be a couple of days? Excuse me, what is VVT, and where is the plug?VVT is Variable valve timing.It is the plug at the top left of the top of my engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 uhm... I understand... VVT, if I install a GTI ECU is a problem... I suppose my AUA engine is VVTless...I don't understand where are difference between gti 1.6 and 1.4 75...my "dream" is a complex dream... lol... impossible?! No, you don't understand (I don't write well...), my project is to install throttle, mani, cams and ecu from gti!! I have the ecu, i'm in search for manifold... is the same on 101 and 125horsepower, understand?Waiting for me is not a problem, thanks for you important help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 The GTI ECU is not going to be much good to you unless you fit a complete engine.It is not able to be remapped (reprogrammed) so the fueling set by VW would need to be used, which wouldn't really be good for the smaller engine.VVT is an electronic cam timing system a little a like the system that the Honda Type R uses.Do you understand?The 1.4 doesn't have this system.For Cams you woulod be better to use 100 bhp cams, as the 1.6 cams are more mild than the 1.4.I would use : Inlet and exhaust manifold, throttle body and get your magneti marelli ECU programmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 VVT is an electronic cam timing system a little a like the system that the Honda Type R uses.Do you understand?The 1.4 doesn't have this system.yes, I understand... For Cams you woulod be better to use 100 bhp cams, as the 1.6 cams are more mild than the 1.4.My idea is to install a CatCams kit 7606702 specific for 1.4, or the original of 101, yes is an idea..I would use : Inlet and exhaust manifold, throttle body and get your magneti marelli ECU programmed.Exactly, is another good idea! ...I find all parts from "Stephen" of ClubPolo.co.uk for £170 (mani, throttle and complete airbox & engine cover), is it a good price? I means yes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 you could use a polo 1400 16v inlet with cable throttle body from the afh engine it is the 100bhp motor 1996>1998 the inlet is same as gti so will fit but the throttle body would just require your cable fitted and thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 you could use a polo 1400 16v inlet with cable throttle body from the afh engine it is the 100bhp motor 1996>1998 the inlet is same as gti so will fit but the throttle body would just require your cable fitted and thats all.Is interesting the thing about the '96/'98 engine....Excuse me, I don't understand well, your "BUT" about the throttle cable... I find a complete "inlet system" of gti with Drive By Wire TB... can I install that without any mod on the cable plug?My question abuot vvc is this:If I install a GTI ecu on my car (without vvc), the engine run regularly or i have any problem without vvc solenoid (it is a solenoid the thing on the head cover, on the left?)??If I understand well a vvc system, the ecu read the inlet cam position by the hall sensor on the right side of the head cover (battery side) and I means the rpm of the angine too... If I don't connect the VVC plug, the solenoid don't run and the oil don't flow in the holes of the inlet cam... is true?!VVC is a system for change the inlet distribution (ex. +/-30°).I was read about the aftermarket cams for all models of polo/lupo, when install that, you lose the VVC function, is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 buy a 1400 afh motor with 100 bhp and job done, or 1600 aee with 1400 afh head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 = 125 bhp or there abouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 buy a 1400 afh motor with 100 bhp and job done, or 1600 aee with 1400 afh head :confused: my project is to install the manifold & TB on my 1.4 75hp to increase the power....the next step of my engine tuning is to install a couple of aftermarket cams...my question is: i have a gti ecu and i don't kwow if the engine run with this or not.bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 :confused: my project is to install the manifold & TB on my 1.4 75hp to increase the power....the next step of my engine tuning is to install a couple of aftermarket cams...my question is: i have a gti ecu and i don't kwow if the engine run with this or not.bye.no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§tefano Posted April 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 nowhy?where is the problem?all sensors on my engine are the same, on gti there is a vcc, but the other are the same,why the car don't work with the gti ecu?uhm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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