Thx for all the answers I haven't decided what speakers I would go for depends I suppose on what Vw charge for the door cards. Depending upon that I'm looking at Alpine MRPF240 or Alpine MRPT220 one 2ch and other 4ch. I would only get amp if I decided to fit rears tho cos my sony head unit sounded alright powering 4 speakers before just makes it easier to wire up although I won't B doing it I can even see room to fit an amp style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />