Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Hello people, time for me to get some advice, I've search through the g/box thread and found someone who had the exact same issue as me, however no mention of what the root cause of the problem was mentioned, here's his description, I'll paraphrase it.Basically when pulling away in first today, as i went to put it into 2nd it ground and then went in (clutch depressed correctly-its done this a few times now) as mentioned its done this a couple times before and once its done that its been almost impossible to put it into 1st or 2nd. In the past ive used a bit of force to get it in and then it sort of works itself loose and its fine again. There is no whining, gears have never ever slipped, never ever popped out, there is no problem at all getting it into any of the other gears they slot in lovely. Anyway it happened today and it will go into second fine but it is having none of 1st at all, even with "considerable blood boiling violent force" it wont go in at all so im guessing its totally not aligned anymore????I've contacted the member but am yet to hear from them but it seems as though parts were just chucked at it by a dealer willy-nilly, I'd prefer it if I could find the issue instead of just putting parts on and hoping for the best. Anyone else had this problem and got to the bottom of it??Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeA Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Vpolo has lost 1st, he has the 20v so may be a different box, but I imagine the underlying problem is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Didn't he strip the gear though due to the power starts on the drag events?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeA Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Apparently not, heis trying to suss it out ATM I believe. It's a weird one. The stick makes a clicking noise when you try to engage. Had the box apart and I don't think the gear was stripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 My stick is kinda like a dick in a top hat at the mo, all over the shop, I'm wondering if the mechanisms on the outer shell of the box are worn. You can push as hard as you like to get first and nothing, even with engine on, clutch released, pushing for 1st has no effect, it feels like how I imagine it would do for someone with a 5 speed box trying to put it into 6th. The other gears are sweet as a nut tho!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTIChris Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Seems you're not the only one pal http://forums.clublupo.co.uk/index.php?/topic/93825-gear-selection/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Cheers Chris, yeah I saw that thread but as he can still get the gear after double clutching I took that out of the equation as I'm convinced that he wouldn't have an issue selecting 1st with the engine off, so it's more than likely down to a possible clutch fault/release bearing/air in the clutch fluid. I have a spare knackered gti g/box to play about with to see if I can get my head around the issue, but i'm not the best with gearboxes so will have to rely on 2nd gear for the next couple of days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 There's an alignment video on youtubre but it is easy.Vpolo is an 02J, Pete is an 02T.It's liable to be the syncromesh though. Bad times, expensive times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Does 1st gear have a synchromesh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 p.s I cant find that vid, tried loadsa different topic titles! Also any idea where I'd find the gearbox code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 The code is on the box.The video is there.If I linked you to it then I would be showing favouritism.You could be a pikey and just loosen off the bowden catch cables, put the toewr to neutral, wiggle the L shaped black bit till it locks it then go to the selector inside the car, bang a 6 or 5 mm allen key in it and then clip the catch cables back into place and unlock the L shape thing and remove the allen key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Cheers joe, yeah I looked at that one in the end even tho it was for a different code box, the code for the box was slap bang under the slave cylinder, how many different types of 02t boxes were made? As I have another sat in my garage which seems to be exactly the same as the one I have on the lupo.Either way, nothing wrong with the cables, checked gear selection on the turret and 1st is a no go, was wondering if I can remove the turret from the spare box and try it on the one fitted? Not had a vw box to bits before..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 And Rich, you should show me special attention, we've been through so much together!! But thanks for your help so far too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 You're getting minimal sarcasm. Appreciate.Yes, you can remove the tower, you need to use an 8mm spline, there's two bolts and then break the seal a bit and yank it out, then when you look into the box you'll see the three (I think) selector forks. You need to check if they're broken as they can be known to snap.You can use any 02T six speed box, you can use a five but that's just bad times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 You are a little super star, I thought the 5 speed had a different bell-housing/bolt arrangement. I'm assuming I can't remove the selectors without splitting the box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 You can't remove the forks internally but the selector will come out with the box in situ should you wish to check.The five and six are exactly the same bar a little difference on the casing near the passenger side wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I know matt (Vpolo) has sorted his now it needed a big burnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 plus... rich might have a good point with selector forks. Forgot to mention in the text pete that when i rang a gearbox specialist he said forks are the most common issue on these boxes. Usually the cheapest fix too.You can do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Right guys, thanks loads for your input, ill get that spare gearbox to bits and see a what it's all about, love you long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Rich is super clever, he love you long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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