torii Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 had a lupo sport a year ago, since then got my hands on a 16v mk2 twin weber carb'd golf. then a mk4 1.8t now i've got a lupo gti i'm finding it real slowthe cars still standardi have a good friend who's a mechanic and can faf around with super chargers, as he just put a turbo kit on a 1.4 (what) hahayeah well im contemplating NOS or a eaton m45i cant be arsed with paying through the nose, as the cars done like 80k, so it is tempting to drop in a 1.8tyeah i know theres topics and what not on here, but nothing specific on time fitting + costs involved + ease of fittingthanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99hjhm Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 1.8T is not a drop in!What ever you do is going to be expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defcon5 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I would say the GTI is marginally quicker than the MK4 1.8T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torii Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 yeah i guess i did have it tuned thoughi know a 1.8t aint a drop in theres a lot of fabrication needed for mounts and what notdont think i can be left driving the mini again as its slow compared to the lupothink im gona get a nos kitbe a little chav haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 As above, nothing is cheap. TB's are probably the cheapest way, would probably see you approx 170bhp, eaton would see you a bit more, and a 1.8t would be about the same if not more if you used a standard 225 bam engine.Dont think for a start that a charger is cheap either just because there £300 odd, ive got first hand experience on doing it all myself, and id happy say that it cant be done for less than 3500.I posted this in a different thread somewhere, it shows whats involved really.Charger - £300Pipework/Clamps - £300Radiator - £100 ishIntercooler - £200Belt/Brackets/Pulleys - £150Ecu with map sensor, Wideband unit, TPS and pre supplied map - £1500Cable throttle conversion - £250Dump Valve - £50-100Then it would need mapping time on top of that ofter its been "run in" so thats another £250-300And some of the extras:Forged internals: £1800Reduction Pulley: £100Raceland mani and cat back: £600Exhaust Wrap: £50Fuel Pressure Reg: £120Oil cooler: £150Moving TB to pre charger: £300Engine Rebuild Kit: £400 (a main bearing shell is £26 a set and theres 5 sets)2 Gauges: £160Fluids for rebuild: £75Clutch: £450Brake Upgrade Girling 60's 280mm: £300 OR Tarox 6 pots: £800Headwork: £400John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 20v is the cheapest if you can fabricate the engine mounts.I'll take photos of my Polo 20v conversion while I put it in the Lupo.The engine mounts look pretty straight forward.The mount where the battery on a none GTI is located looks to be standard.The gearbox mount is a mixture of 20v mount and standard mount welded.The cam belt side mount is a standard mount welded directly on the chassis leg instead of the silly gay platform.Theres a few people who have done the conversion is a few days work... don't listen to the £10k figures, you could do it for under £3000.00 I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 My view has always been: If you have to ask about it, you really shouldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoluke Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 My view has always been: If you have to ask about it, you really shouldn't do it.I disagree, you will not learn unless you attempt it, then ask for help in the really tough times . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99hjhm Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 20v is the cheapest if you can fabricate the engine mounts.I'll take photos of my Polo 20v conversion while I put it in the Lupo.The engine mounts look pretty straight forward.The mount where the battery on a none GTI is located looks to be standard.The gearbox mount is a mixture of 20v mount and standard mount welded.The cam belt side mount is a standard mount welded directly on the chassis leg instead of the silly gay platform.Theres a few people who have done the conversion is a few days work... don't listen to the £10k figures, you could do it for under £3000.00 I'd say.You make it sound easy...what about... Drive shaftsGearboxECU, wiringetc etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigzâ„¢ Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 What about drive shafts?Kit car builders get custom drive shafts all around the country.They are not expensive.You have to worry about wiring on any engine conversion unless you going for something easier with something like a Polo GTI engine into a Sport for instance.But lots of places could wire it up pretty easily.A lot more that know how to wire up a Lupo engine.What about gearbox?You already have hydraulic Clutch on a Lupo GTI.I'm not saying it will be easy.But so long as you have a friend who can weld, and either you or a friend are good with a socket set it is only as complicated to fit throttle bodies to a Lupo (which I must say is a lot harder than people think. Mitch has done well, but he has a lot of hard work to get there( or Supercharging your GTI.Caspers thread shows you exactly how difficult a job his is.My thread shows other problems.Mitch's shows how much trial and error it is.But look how quick the 20v conversions are in comparison.Between the two of us, I expect we can get the engine out of my Polo and into my Lupo over the next bank holiday.A lot of the fabrication has been done, so with the exception of the engine mount to the chassis leg most of it is Spanner work.I do not think I have the skill to do one from Scratch, it is a lot of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigzâ„¢ Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 i have a good friend who's a mechanic and can faf around with super chargers, as he just put a turbo kit on a 1.4Oh, dude, you got any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icegeezer Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Definatly not easy...and not a quick fix either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torii Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) thanks for the advice thoughiv got like 3500 for it so 20vt might be an idea, i'll see what my friends up for as a nos kit will just give me some sick boost playerMy view has always been: If you have to ask about it, you really shouldn't do it.big lolgood job no one takes you seriously eh Edited July 23, 2009 by Tigzâ„¢ no need for names! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M55AHM Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 thanks for the advice thoughiv got like 3500 for it so 20vt might be an idea, i'll see what my friends up for as a nos kit will just give me some sick boost playerbig lolgood job no one takes you seriously ehLOL Love ya torii x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperGTI Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 thanks for the advice thoughiv got like 3500 for it so 20vt might be an idea, i'll see what my friends up for as a nos kit will just give me some sick boost playerbig lolgood job no one takes you seriously ehNos on the standard engine? It think it would eventually end up in you melting a piston, sick boost.... not really, just bloody expensive! - Put the money in to a conversion instead!TBH, alot of dreamers come on here, and obviously it materialises in to nothing. Its not a problem, but these views come from people who have seen it happen alot on here. This is my view on it anyway.Myself, i remember talking to a few people at ED38 2008, and i could tell they didnt believe me when i said i was going to do what ive done. Guess the only way is to prove people wrong eh??Whatever you do, prove them wrong and put a build thread up if you do it.John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torii Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 yeah, i'm gonna have to look into this further fo shoi'm not a dreamer, just want some boosthaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoggy Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 phone up wizard of nos for nitrous mate. they are the dong! only get the progressive kit though, its far better for the engine. plus they are made to work for a standard engine... up to 70 break increase depending on what you want.only know this because its wat im thinking for mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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