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had a lupo sport a year ago, since then got my hands on a 16v mk2 twin weber carb'd golf. then a mk4 1.8t

now i've got a lupo gti i'm finding it real slow

the cars still standard

i have a good friend who's a mechanic and can faf around with super chargers, as he just put a turbo kit on a 1.4 (what) haha

yeah well im contemplating NOS or a eaton m45

i cant be arsed with paying through the nose, as the cars done like 80k, so it is tempting to drop in a 1.8t

yeah i know theres topics and what not on here, but nothing specific on time fitting + costs involved + ease of fitting

thanks!

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yeah i guess i did have it tuned though

i know a 1.8t aint a drop in theres a lot of fabrication needed for mounts and what not

dont think i can be left driving the mini again as its slow compared to the lupo

think im gona get a nos kit

be a little chav haha

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As above, nothing is cheap.

TB's are probably the cheapest way, would probably see you approx 170bhp, eaton would see you a bit more, and a 1.8t would be about the same if not more if you used a standard 225 bam engine.

Dont think for a start that a charger is cheap either just because there £300 odd, ive got first hand experience on doing it all myself, and id happy say that it cant be done for less than 3500.

I posted this in a different thread somewhere, it shows whats involved really.

Charger - £300

Pipework/Clamps - £300

Radiator - £100 ish

Intercooler - £200

Belt/Brackets/Pulleys - £150

Ecu with map sensor, Wideband unit, TPS and pre supplied map - £1500

Cable throttle conversion - £250

Dump Valve - £50-100

Then it would need mapping time on top of that ofter its been "run in" so thats another £250-300

And some of the extras:

Forged internals: £1800

Reduction Pulley: £100

Raceland mani and cat back: £600

Exhaust Wrap: £50

Fuel Pressure Reg: £120

Oil cooler: £150

Moving TB to pre charger: £300

Engine Rebuild Kit: £400 (a main bearing shell is £26 a set and theres 5 sets)

2 Gauges: £160

Fluids for rebuild: £75

Clutch: £450

Brake Upgrade Girling 60's 280mm: £300 OR Tarox 6 pots: £800

Headwork: £400

John

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20v is the cheapest if you can fabricate the engine mounts.

I'll take photos of my Polo 20v conversion while I put it in the Lupo.

The engine mounts look pretty straight forward.

The mount where the battery on a none GTI is located looks to be standard.

The gearbox mount is a mixture of 20v mount and standard mount welded.

The cam belt side mount is a standard mount welded directly on the chassis leg instead of the silly gay platform.

Theres a few people who have done the conversion is a few days work... don't listen to the £10k figures, you could do it for under £3000.00 I'd say.

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20v is the cheapest if you can fabricate the engine mounts.

I'll take photos of my Polo 20v conversion while I put it in the Lupo.

The engine mounts look pretty straight forward.

The mount where the battery on a none GTI is located looks to be standard.

The gearbox mount is a mixture of 20v mount and standard mount welded.

The cam belt side mount is a standard mount welded directly on the chassis leg instead of the silly gay platform.

Theres a few people who have done the conversion is a few days work... don't listen to the £10k figures, you could do it for under £3000.00 I'd say.

You make it sound easy...

what about...

Drive shafts

Gearbox

ECU, wiring

etc etc etc.

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What about drive shafts?

Kit car builders get custom drive shafts all around the country.

They are not expensive.

You have to worry about wiring on any engine conversion unless you going for something easier with something like a Polo GTI engine into a Sport for instance.

But lots of places could wire it up pretty easily.

A lot more that know how to wire up a Lupo engine.

What about gearbox?

You already have hydraulic Clutch on a Lupo GTI.

I'm not saying it will be easy.

But so long as you have a friend who can weld, and either you or a friend are good with a socket set it is only as complicated to fit throttle bodies to a Lupo (which I must say is a lot harder than people think. Mitch has done well, but he has a lot of hard work to get there( or Supercharging your GTI.

Caspers thread shows you exactly how difficult a job his is.

My thread shows other problems.

Mitch's shows how much trial and error it is.

But look how quick the 20v conversions are in comparison.

Between the two of us, I expect we can get the engine out of my Polo and into my Lupo over the next bank holiday.

A lot of the fabrication has been done, so with the exception of the engine mount to the chassis leg most of it is Spanner work.

I do not think I have the skill to do one from Scratch, it is a lot of work.

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thanks for the advice though

iv got like 3500 for it so 20vt might be an idea, i'll see what my friends up for as a nos kit will just give me some sick boost

player

My view has always been: If you have to ask about it, you really shouldn't do it.

big lol

good job no one takes you seriously eh

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no need for names!
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thanks for the advice though

iv got like 3500 for it so 20vt might be an idea, i'll see what my friends up for as a nos kit will just give me some sick boost

player

big lol

good job no one takes you seriously eh

LOL

Love ya torii x

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thanks for the advice though

iv got like 3500 for it so 20vt might be an idea, i'll see what my friends up for as a nos kit will just give me some sick boost

player

big lol

good job no one takes you seriously eh

Nos on the standard engine? It think it would eventually end up in you melting a piston, sick boost.... not really, just bloody expensive! - Put the money in to a conversion instead!

TBH, alot of dreamers come on here, and obviously it materialises in to nothing. Its not a problem, but these views come from people who have seen it happen alot on here. This is my view on it anyway.

Myself, i remember talking to a few people at ED38 2008, and i could tell they didnt believe me when i said i was going to do what ive done. Guess the only way is to prove people wrong eh??

Whatever you do, prove them wrong and put a build thread up if you do it.

John

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phone up wizard of nos for nitrous mate. they are the dong! only get the progressive kit though, its far better for the engine. plus they are made to work for a standard engine... up to 70 break increase depending on what you want.

only know this because its wat im thinking for mine ;)

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