Ardent Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Have a look at this site. Lots of you will have heard of Revo. power and torque graphs. If I change from lupo gti I will be havinga Fab vrs just so I can use their software. http://www.revotechnik.com/uk/ukrevo.html (click the link under the red A2)http://www.revotechnik.com/graphs/vw/lupo/...orque`.htmlalso look at software range and pricesWhetted anyones appetite?jayson trying to be helpfull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Too tempting.... They all quote about a 30Bhp gain although I think I looked at one remap site that quoted a 50lb/ft gain, that is the best that I have seen so far.Must pay off car first though.Does anybody know what VW says about remapping and warranty, I can't imagine them being too keen on the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Depends if they know about it or not style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 If it fecks up your engine though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Not a lot it can really do - it could potentially blow the turbo, but it's very unlikely.The Revo solution is put on the ECU using Serial Port Programming (SPP) - this means that the code is flashed to the ECU via the OBD port under the ashtray. You can also buy an SPS device (size of a box of matches, plugs into the OBD port) which will reset the ECU to stock at the push of a button, and back to 'chipped' again with another push.What this means is, if you set it to stock when it goes in for servicing (or should anything break, for that matter) then there is no physical alteration to the ECU that can be detected, and the performance is exactly that of a `non-chipped` ECU. So there is nothing to detect.(This could also potentially be used to avoid declaring the chip to your insurer, but that would be a pretty silly thing to do, so don't. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Apparently VW's software cant pick up if its been remapped or not...So I was reliably informed! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Hmm... interesting style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 VW's software can't, but obviously, if you go for an '`old-fashioned`' approach, like a proper remap, then they only have to open the ECU to see that it's been tampered with. Obviously this isn't the case with a serial port programmed solution.That's not to say it's impossible to detect though - any competent electrical engineer, provided with the eprom from your ECU and the eprom from a factory ECU, could tell quite easily that the software was different to that of factory. VW are never going to bother with this (too expensive), but if you write off your car into a supercar dealership's used car lot, the insurance company might do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Oh, and stating the obvious here - VW's software can't detect a remap, but if the service monkey jumps in your car, it isn't going to take him long to notice it's putting out significantly more than 75bhp style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />Which is why the switching device is a good idea if you want to keep your warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Good point. I am very tempted but it is just going to have to wait at the moment, or until after it is 3 years old style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />Turned 1000 miles last night though - woo Only 500 more to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 If you tell your insurance company, and get the switching device so it's disabled whenever it goes into VW (keep it in the car just in case anything goes wrong unexpectedly, but obviously take it out before VW get it) then realistically you've got absolutely nothing to worry about.To be fair, most of the VW dealerships I've had experience with are pretty unconcerned about TDI/1.8T turbo tuning. The turbos are rated to far higher pressures than VW use as stock, and they know damn well that a sensible remap isn't going to do any damage that wasn't already going to happen. Heck, I even know some dealers who offer Revo as a `dealer-fitted` option on a new car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 for £500 you can get the Cupra tdi tuned to 200bhp and 300lb/ft which is about the safe limit for long life of the gearbox and clutch, though this car was the first tuned and only had 180miles on the clock so it should add another few horses when it's loosened up. Turbo in the 150/160bhp engines comes with a different turbo with titanium blades so it can cope a lot better than the one in the 130bhp or lower tuned engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Is there any way of fitting the bigger turbo from the 1.9 to the 1.4? I would imagine that would give a bigger bang or would it not make much of a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Turbo isn't everything - you have to bear in mind it's still a 1.4 litre three cylinder engine style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 bi turbo lupo gti would be very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Considering you can get more power than you can reasonably do much with in the Lupo chassis with a single turbo, two of them may be considered overkill! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Was yours tuned by the stealer Crusoe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdwindustries Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 QUOTE(snoopstah)Considering you can get more power than you can reasonably do much with in the Lupo chassis with a single turbo, two of them may be considered overkill! style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />I have never considered over kill a bad thing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 I tend to like to avoid the 'kill' bit style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 QUOTE(aberdeen_dj)Is there any way of fitting the bigger turbo from the 1.9 to the 1.4? I would imagine that would give a bigger bang or would it not make much of a difference?Possible but you'd need the bigger intercooler as well (mine is about 3ft by 2ft!) After that you'd need to get it on a rolling road and custom mapped as there would be too much air and not enough fuelling to maximise the benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Hmm... Bigger Turbo and Remap? style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":evil:" border="0" alt="evil.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i99y Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I aint got a Turbo so does anyone know of anywhere (preferebly Scotland), that deals with upgrading Lupo SDI's?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 QUOTE(i99y)I aint got a Turbo so does anyone know of anywhere (preferebly Scotland), that deals with upgrading Lupo SDI's??There's not much they dan do on the sdi as far as enigne upgrades go, a filte and exhaust might get you a few more bhp but that's about it. Better to trade up to a trubo if you want real benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer monsta Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I know lots of people with the lower power TDi engines have gone for big gains and the torque just kills the clutches....One of the chaps on tyresmoke has a black fabria VRs and that has about 200bhp and 300lbft, but that needed I believe the modified turbo/manifold arrangement.If I have mine chipped it will be Oettinger from RSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neiler Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 The turbo can still go, its not that rare a thing. Depends on your driving style i guess. Map shouldnt kill it, but wouls still be the first thing to go.The Turbo from a 1.9 TDI may take a bit long to spool up, obv not a good thing style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad.gif" />.And OBDII is different from serial port. Just "similar" in the way that the ECU is changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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