Chris Dunderdale Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi there guys,Was just wondering if you could tell me a little bit more about the history of the the 1.6 GTI engine. I know it came from the Polo GTI, but thats all! Any interesting facts?!Looking to buy a GTI in the next year or so... I need to pass my test first though... (and yes, I'm 26... and lazy!)Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) the 1.6 or the vr6 which was later used in 3lr form to make the lupo 3l? Edited March 18, 2008 by Crusoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 the design was initially for the super 1600 rally car class where it was tuned for the polo cup rally car. The only noticable trace is the quick release bolts on the sump guard that were added for quick access on the rally car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 when they changed the engine for production use they had to lower the idle revs to meet emissions regulations so there is a bit of a stutter when the engine is cold. The rally car idle was 2000rpm so it does warm up a lot faster if you give it some revs from cold but you only notice on really icy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Dunderdale Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Thanks for the info, thats interesting! Didn't realise it had rally blood...! Is it exactly the same engine thats in the polo then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 The sump is different, and the engine top is not red but other than that its the same engine.The gearbox is different, the Clutch on the Polo is cable operated and the linkages have also been changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Dunderdale Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 is the lupo fly by wire then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Unfurtunatly yes.Although Most Polo GTIs were also flyby also.The Polo GTI lump I fitted came with a cable throttle body, Id always thought before that they all were flyby wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Dunderdale Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 is that a bad thing? Does it make it less responsive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) i was going to make a separate post about this but i have recently seen a product called the "sprint booster" that is a replacement module that connects to the throttle, it has altered electrics that make the throttle much more faster and responsive. cost about £160 though. Edited March 14, 2008 by Dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Quick release sump guard sounds very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 is that a bad thing? Does it make it less responsive?For normal use no, i just prefere the feel of a cable pedal.There is a slight delay when you rev the engine, but nothing too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Quick release sump guard sounds very interestinghave you not seen the allen key nuts underneath instead of the usual bolts, worth a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 have you not seen the allen key nuts underneath instead of the usual bolts, worth a look My Polo GTI is like that! lolI think they just use what ever they have avalable at the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 It was also the first vw engine to make use of Vermiculargraphit in the block casting. They only added it for 600 engines built between 1999 and 2001 to qualify the block for rally use. the strengthened blocks were NDT tested and x-rayed at the factory for defects and should resist bore wear better than the standard softer block. This also assisted these engine to cope with pressures & heat generated when RPM reaches 9800, which is safe to hit when you remove the rev limiter when reprogramming the ECU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 there was never official chassis numbers releases for those engines though so the only way to tell is to compare the colour of the block. If it's slightly darker grey then it has the added graphite.this should maybe be stickied for newbies to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 It's also worth noting that the models with the removable sumpguard were made in the Wolfsburg factory, while the later ones without were made alongside the Arosa when production was moved to Spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAB Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 It's also worth noting that the models with the removable sumpguard were made in the Wolfsburg factory, while the later ones without were made alongside the Arosa when production was moved to Spain.I think you will find that all GTi's were, like the 3L, built at Wolfsburg. As they largely shared the same body (thinner steel but stronger), when Lupo (and Arosa) production switched to Brussels (not Spain), production of the 3L and Gti continued at Wolfsburg. Production of the 3L and GTi also continued for six months after other Lupo and Arosa models.RAB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 who told you that? Check your chassis number, it will either be the wolfsburg or spanish build code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupogtiboy Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 (edited) I think you will find that all GTi's were, like the 3L, built at Wolfsburg. As they largely shared the same body (thinner steel but stronger), when Lupo (and Arosa) production switched to Brussels (not Spain), production of the 3L and Gti continued at Wolfsburg. Production of the 3L and GTi also continued for six months after other Lupo and Arosa models.RAByep, brussels is right, as that is what the B in the chassis number shows. If it were spain, it would be a Y for pamplona. Edited March 22, 2008 by lupogtiboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 None GTIs were built in Brussels rather than Spain or do you meen GTIs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupogtiboy Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 i have seen GTI's with a B in the chassis number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 Blumming heck, learn something new every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 my gti has W chassis code. the engine has poland embossed on it, but wolfsburg is not in poland. what does this mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAB Posted March 22, 2008 Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 i have seen GTI's with a B in the chassis numberI would be doubtful that they were genuine GTI's.RAB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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