Luppie70 Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Did anyone see the news today where to police stood by and watched a boy drowned after saving his sister from drowning. When asked why the did not help they said they were not trained to deal with that situation.Can anyone tell me why we are told to leave dangerous situations to the trained proffessionals when these have just stood by cause"were not trained yet" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Weren't they PCSO's, not 'proper' police?Fair enough, they hadn't been trained, but neither have I, and I reckon I'd have still tried to help. As would most people I imagine.Disclaimer: I haven't actually heard the full story, all I know is that he drowned and they were there, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossjohnc Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 They were PCSOs, and imo, were probably very simple people who considered themselves to be doing what they were told.The reality of the situation is that they have to be told not to enter the water, because if they did and they drowned, there would be trouble.I think most people with any compassion and half a brain would have gone in and tried to do something. That sounds harsh, but that's what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philplop Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 (edited) Yeah, they'll be under strict orders what they can (which isn't much) and can't do.If they had gone in they probably would have got bollocked and quite possibly suspended or something. If something had gone wrong, their employing force could have been sued, so they'll just tell them not to do anything that could be dangerous.Health and Safety gone mad really. Edited September 21, 2007 by Philplop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 plastic policemen. there's doing your duty and there's doing the right thing. I'd have gone in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Might be they just couldn't swim. Supposed to find a branch or similar to throw to them rather than enter the water anyway though depend on the situation. Sure they did what they could, maybe they were too busy saving the sister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putney Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 The truth to the story is,The police did not watch the boy drown. He was under water and not visible when the police arrived. It was a dark muddy lake. Its not like looking into a swimmiing pool and seeing a kid on the bottom. Brave little kid saving his sister though! RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 Story in the post up here not long ago:Fireman rescued a lady from the River Tay in Perth after she jumped/fell of the Queens bridge. He was lowered on a harness and the crew sucessfully rescued the lady the guy lowered got himself hypothermia into the bargain.He has been recommended for an award for going beyond the call of duty, but got into "trouble" from his Fire Brigade bosses as the crew weren't trained or properly equipped for this type of rescue.See here...As already said, H&S gone mad!Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picola Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 The truth to the story is,The police did not watch the boy drown. He was under water and not visible when the police arrived. It was a dark muddy lake. Its not like looking into a swimmiing pool and seeing a kid on the bottom. Brave little kid saving his sister though! RIP.That wouldn't stop me from jumping in and trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putney Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 The boy had been under water for some time. If anyone is to blame for this tradegy I blame the parents. Where the feck were they? I saw them on tv they looked a right state. Pikeys all the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfbr Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 That wouldn't stop me from jumping in and trying.Surely they'd not have jumped into muddy water if they couldn't see anyone drowning...I think the point putney was making, was that by the time the police were there, (also as stated on the news of our local radio station) the PCSO's couldn't actually see anyone in the water... so they were exactly gona try and jump in, for something that could just have been a false report.You wouldn't jump in a pond to save someone if as far as your eyes could see, nobody was there, would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picola Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Well I presumed they would of known he was in there as 2 fisherman were dragging out his little sister, whom he was trying to save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt~black Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 he wasn't speeding so the police aren't interested durr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyP Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 Nice bit of input there mate ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Did anyone see that Traffic Cops the other week? There was a guy who had fallen into Grimsby dock while a bit pished and the Police turned up and wouldn't jump in either. They said that they weren't equiped and they couldn't know where the lad was, or what dangers luked beneath, like old trolleys, cars etc that they might've got trapped on. They waited for the Fire Brigade to turn up who got in and fished him out with a hook on a pole.A similar situation and I think it is all as much about minimising danger to the living as well as saving others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putney Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Did anyone see that Traffic Cops the other week? There was a guy who had fallen into Grimsby dock while a bit pished and the Police turned up and wouldn't jump in either. They said that they weren't equiped and they couldn't know where the lad was, or what dangers luked beneath, like old trolleys, cars etc that they might've got trapped on. They waited for the Fire Brigade to turn up who got in and fished him out with a hook on a pole.A similar situation and I think it is all as much about minimising danger to the living as well as saving others.Thats a good amount of bullshit not to get wet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 having working with children around water; the golden rule is to not enter into a situation where you unnessicarily put the lives of yourself or others into danger.Imagine if they had jumped in, pulled him out and he died anyone.....contributory manslaughter through negligence anyone?they did nothing wrong, i blame the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 why does anyone need blaming?why can't it just be an unfortunate accident?i don't like this "blame it on someone else" society we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 why does anyone need blaming?why can't it just be an unfortunate accident?i don't like this "blame it on someone else" society we live in.well children (and some adults for that matter) should not be allowed near deep water on their own.....the fishing lakes over at harefield mate, they claim 2-3 adults a year.......water is dangerous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picola Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 why does anyone need blaming?why can't it just be an unfortunate accident?i don't like this "blame it on someone else" society we live in.I blame it on the weatherman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I blame it on the weathermanno more dawsons creek soundtrack for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picola Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 Dawsons crack was a pile o' turd! We regulary switched off the mains when my friend watched it.I'm just an avid Bewitched fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I blame it on the weathermanI blame you for the moonlit skyAnd the dream that died with the Eagle's flightI blame you for the moonlit nightsWhen I wonder whyAre the seas still dry?Don't blame this sleeping satellite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_chris1981 Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I'm just an avid Bewitched fanyou only liked them for the tight arses in denim though, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putney Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I blame you for the moonlit skyAnd the dream that died with the Eagle's flightI blame you for the moonlit nightsWhen I wonder whyAre the seas still dry?Don't blame this sleeping satellitedude you sure your not gay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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