Tatsumaru Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 this is a smart car. it will have a 600cc engine.I read it in top gear magazine.Sorry to disappoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 DO you believe everything you read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsumaru Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 not everything no, just what jeremy clarkson says :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschetrimr Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 this is awesome,i ve been following the progress for a while now and it looks like it ll be front drive instead of rear which is a shame as i was quite intrigued by a 'proper' succesor to the original beetlewas all over it like a rash at goodwood (apparently it wont be at the motorshow!!) got some really good pics of it especially the interior ,if it looks anything like the concept my names on the list!!also if vw do what they did with the IROC concept then this is the successor to the lupo!! IROC becomes sc-IROC-co UP becomes l-UP-odan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxg Posted July 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 was all over it like a rash at goodwood (apparently it wont be at the motorshow!!) got some really good pics of it especially the interior ,if it looks anything like the concept my names on the list!!I would *love* to see your real-world pics if you've got them online anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unheard Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Its going to be the typical concept looks good untill it comes out then we will all be disappointed the rear engine would have made it far more appealing in my eyes!I think i like the toyota IQ better http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-iq.html some how i think it will have more of the cute charm that i like in small cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschetrimr Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 I would *love* to see your real-world pics if you've got them online anywhere...not taken em off my camera yet as been having pc issues ,will get some up later and post them for youdan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porschetrimr Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 here are some pics from this years goodwood as promised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdacornish Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 I read somewhere that apparently the engine is no longer going to be mounted in the back, summit to do with design/production costs. Love the front end, hate the back/side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny70 Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Ill definitely go for one of these if they look like that! Deck it on some phat wheels! ! Im quite exited to see what they are like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxg Posted November 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 some interesting tid-bits on the engine... Still not clear if it's rear or front engined, though!!!Take a look at the smallest, most beautifully formed Audi ever. Auto Express has learned that the German firm is planning a new city car – and it will be based on VW’s ultra-economical micro-machine, the up!The new baby blends fuel economy and style never seen before from Audi. It will share nearly all its underpinnings with the VW, while maintaining the badge appeal and executive air that buyers have come to expect from the four-ringed brand.Bosses had previously hinted at the possibility of a small car, and speculation suggested it would be based on the same platform as the A1 concept, first revealed at the Geneva Motor Show in March.But now it has come to light that the platform will be shared with the up! – which will also spawn a raft of other models from fellow VW Group brands Skoda and SEAT.Audi’s new car will rival top-end versions of the Ford Ka and Fiat 500. As you can see from our pictures, the model adds a distinctive body to the chassis of the up!, with a gaping grille, neat headlamps, beefy wheelarches and a sculpted rear end. But the most innovative move – and potentially the model’s biggest selling point – is the choice of ultra-economical powerplants. Engineers at the VW Group are working on a pair of 600cc two-cylinder turbocharged units – one diesel and one petrol.Fuel economy is predicted around 95mpg, with super-clean CO2 emissions of less than 100g/km – meaning the Audi won’t cost a penny in road tax under current rules. The company is also toying with the idea of introducing a 1.2-litrethree-cylinder engine.Yet near-100mpg fuel returns are clearly not enough – as an electric powertrain is also under development. Details are sketchy at the moment, but ultra-low running costs and emissions are guaranteed.In addition, Audi has hinted that an eco-minded replacement for the A2 could be on the way. Rupert Stadler, chairman of the manufacturer’s board of management, told us: “We have intentionally left a gap between the A3 and forthcoming A1. Although it’s too premature to talk about the car that will fill it – as it needs time – the A2 had a certain type of DNA with its aluminium body, and this should be respected. But electric drive is a must.”This newcomer could be based on the larger, MPV-style space up! displayed at 2007’s Los Angeles Motor Show.However, the up! project is not without its problems. Originally, VW had planned for a rear-engined, rear-wheel-drive layout, devised to provide more interior space. But top brass have since revealed that this threw up issues in testing, with the car proving unstable in cross winds and suffering difficulties with engine cooling.So, a more modern and straightforward front-engined, front-wheel-drive layout is likely to be adopted. The up! is due on sale in 2010, with its Audi sister model following in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) The 60bhp 1.2 will be more than enough.The 50bhp 1.0 was fine in the Lupo, I would imagen the up! is just as light/lighter than the Lupo.Dont forget the Polo is oer 1100kg so it will feel sluggish.The Polo mk6 1.2 12v was 65bhp and gross weight is 1042kg.The Polo mk7 1.2 12v was 70bhp, not too sure on gross weight although I'd imagine it to be the same. Edited November 16, 2008 by Niche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 (edited) I want one, going to start saving up now. Lol.From the reviews it looks like it doesn't weigh much so the 1.2 engine should be fine. Lets just hope there aren't any issue with that poxy timing chain and that new gearbox is something to be wary about.EDIT:IROC - Scirocco Up! - LupoLooks like the Fox is getting replaced by the Lupo. Edited November 16, 2008 by Niche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 id take one of those i reckon. bit high but some small wheels and collies and it would b game on me thinks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) id take one of those i reckon. bit high but some small wheels and collies and it would b game on me thinks....It wouldn't even need lowering, smaller wheels and it'll be on the floor. haha. Edited November 18, 2008 by Niche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 The twin pot power plants seem reasonable enough. I see Ford are going down the 1 litre route for the next gen engines for the Fiesta & B-Max in various states of tune, the Supercharged ROCAM 1 litre does OK in S.America. Fiat have promised a 2 cylinder for the Panda and 500 for a while. I think in the real world, this approach is going to become the norm until batteries become viable for longer journeys.The comments made about the A2 are good. It was ahead of the game in many respects when it was launched. If the Up!/Ros/A? followed on from that, then it should all be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxg Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) I used to have a smart roadster. The best thing about it was its engine. A little three cylinder, 6 spark plug, 600cc turbo'd thing. It had this fantastic sound when really pushed because the engine was off balance - the 3 cylinder petrols in the current polo sound something similar when worked hard... That engine gave 80hp (chipable to 100 - the 100hp version was chipable to about 120hp). It 's just a shame it was mated with such a dire semi-auto gearbox. Let's hope vw don't make the same mistake.It was great in the city centre timing the revs and gear changes just right so the wastegate flutter would really make people look... Edited November 18, 2008 by dxg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiea7x Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 the interior of that up has a marc newson look about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) I used to have a smart roadster. The best thing about it was its engine. A little three cylinder, 6 spark plug, 600cc turbo'd thing. It had this fantastic sound when really pushed because the engine was off balance - the 3 cylinder petrols in the current polo sound something similar when worked hard... That engine gave 80hp (chipable to 100 - the 100hp version was chipable to about 120hp). It 's just a shame it was mated with such a dire semi-auto gearbox. Let's hope vw don't make the same mistake.It was great in the city centre timing the revs and gear changes just right so the wastegate flutter would really make people look... How on earth does a 3 cylinder engine have 6 spark plugs?Do you mean 6 valves (SOHC)? Or is it a 12v (DOHC)?I would imagine it to be a 6v as its only a 0.6 litre engine. Edited November 19, 2008 by Niche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxg Posted November 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) How on earth does a 3 cylinder engine have 6 spark plugs?Do you mean 6 valves (SOHC)? Or is it a 12v (DOHC)?I would imagine it to be a 6v as its only a 0.6 litre engine.Nope, two sparks in each cylinder - arranged vertically and timed so one starts to ignite the fuel and the other sparks later to finish it off. Alfa had the idea first with it's "twinspark" system.http://www.evilution.co.uk/index.php?page=...&men=engine Edited November 19, 2008 by dxg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) lol, so gay.its a 3 cylinder.I think these companies are starting to donate cylinders to Australia. Edited November 19, 2008 by Niche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 If this really is going to be the new Lupo the slogan at the top of this forum needs to be changed accordingly...how about "it's ****e, it's slow, you just got passed!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 "It's light, your tight, stop being a poof!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 lol, so gay.its a 3 cylinder.I think these companies are starting to donate cylinders to Australia.Nah, Oz is at the forefront of air powered cars along with that French bloke in Nice. They must be anticipating the Apocolypse."It's light, your tight, stop being a poof!"Careful now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxg Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 A bit more information on the new Lupo, from here:Good points:- being considered for entry in North America (the new Polo is already confirmed). Think what this would do for the aftermarket space...- production in Europe (yay! - so long as it's not the Spanish plant as it's record with the Fox and the old Polo was a disaster...)- also production in Mexico to serve the US. - and rumours of production in China, also - - in short, sounds like VW are really serious about this thing. Bad points:- entry price has risen to 8.5k euros which, now that Gordon's truely fecked the economy, will shortly be £8.5k on the exchange rates to me. This is a massive step back for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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