tshirt2k Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 Found a german site listing camshafts,Does anyone unstand what the jargon means?specs.Ie what spec would they be road ,race rally etc. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 (edited) ask the new german guy to tell ya Sascha-Oliver from Cologne style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> Edited December 18, 2005 by noddy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Camshaft VW 16V smaller block 4 Cyl. 4 Valve roller follower (Polo, Lupo etc.)4.69/9.0 E 244/ /107 15-49- 0.7 hydr. € 289 4.69/9.0 A /244/107 -49-15 0.7 hydr. € 289 I think thats the one for the GTI dure to the diffrent cam timeings suggesting VVT.Opening square E/A/SpreizungId imagen thats the profile, as I think the GTI standard is under 130 profile?Control times °KW Eö-Es Aö-AsThats the lift I think.Other than that I havn't a clue.Have you Contactted them incase anyone there speaks English?I think Dogwood would understand it, think he knows about cams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) ask the new german guy to tell ya Sascha-Oliver from Cologne style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />i think he is actually a she!!http://forums.clublupo.co.uk/index.php?s=&...ndpost&p=198675 Edited December 21, 2005 by Adam K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) I think they are inlet and exhaust. It looks like opening square is duration ie 256, 264, 280 and 292Not sure what control times are but i think valve stroke is lift.Camshaft VW 16V smaller block 4 Cyl. 4 Valve Hydr. Bucket tappet( Polo, Lupo etc.) Opening square Control times°KW Valve stroke Valve play Price in mm E/A in mm 9.5 E 256/ /112 16-60- 0.6 hydro. € 317 9.5 A /256/112 -60-16 0.7 hydro. € 317 10.0 E 264/ /110 22-62- 1.1 hydro. € 317 10.0 A /264/110 -62-22 1.2 hydro. € 317 10.4 E 280/ /110 33-67- 3.0 hydro. € 317 10.4 A /280/110 -67-33 3.0 hydro. € 317 11.6 E 292/ /104 42-70- 4.2 hydro. € 317 11.6 A /292/104 -72-42 4.2 hydro. € 317 What sort of engine characteristics would these cams give? ie Idle and would it be a pig to drive.It seems the 256 cam is the mildest and people said they wanted a more extreme duration.Dubya said his were 285 and the idle was lumpy, but his dyno showed impressive power, not sure where the torque came in. I would be looking for more power but dont want to make it undriveable. Any ideas? Edited December 21, 2005 by tshirt2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 found some very interesting info here. It should help to clear up some common misconceptions. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Fantastic read.Are you thinking of any other work other than cams and headwork? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) I think that would be a good place to start and also a remap .If it seems like its suffocating due to inlet restrictions then possibly mods to the inlet would come next. The key for me would be driveabilty. I think 160hp is possible without TB's. If i get greedy for power that would be the next step.Anyone know what standard cam specs are, ie: duration, lift, timings.etc? Edited December 21, 2005 by tshirt2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 From what Ive read (un-confirmed) the 1600 engine has given someone 180hp on standard induction, with only headwork, cams and a touch of mapping.Im also sure the GTI has a really low cam profile, I forget the correct figures, but Im sure it was either just under or just over the 130 mark.Think there was a thread on it on uk-polo Breal fitted 256 profile cams to his Sport, he said there was no noticable difffrence.Where as Ross got a pretty large 150hp through his cam and headwork also using a 256 profile set.Drop Dogwood a pm, I think hes using a set of 280+ profile cams in his 1600 Polo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 The cams you've listed are for an AFH motor which runs conventional type valvegear. I use the kit that includes the 292's listed. To give you an idea, the power comes in strong at about 6500, peaks at about 8400 and holds well to 9000 revs.Pretty much everything everybody sells is done by Schrick. The biggest i've seen listed for the Lupo GTI motor ie. variable inlet, roller rockers is 260 inlet, 252 exhaust with 10mm of lift. See wl-motorsport.de. Go to Polo tuning, then nockenwelle.Schrick will be at the Autosport show in January so I will have a bit crack with them then.The RSG Lupos that run in the DTC run different pistons, cams, headwork, 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat, race system, BMC type induction, variable inlet as standard, mapped to suit make about 180bhp. I reckon 165 - 170bhp is achievable for a road engine no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) that would suit me. do you reckon its possible without touchin the bottom end? Ilooked at that site, are all gti's variable? The camshafts have different inlet and exhaust durations. I have know idea how this would affect power curve. You could buy the one with the highest numbers and it may be the worst choice for whats required. All Very confusing style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> Edited December 23, 2005 by tshirt2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoil Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 (edited) If I remember correctly its only one of the cams that has the vvt, can't remember if it was the exhaust or inlet but I think it would be the inlet. I had 256s on mine and it made a difference top end, I had some head work done also, for th emoney you have to splash out for the bits/labour I would say it is min gains for max £££. It would work well with a performance manifolds I guess though!!!If I were to have a loop again I'd try making it go faster by lightening it/improving road holding and uprating the brakes. Way to go I think!! Edited December 23, 2005 by gargoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 A remap is needed to make use of the extra flow capabilities i would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polo_gti Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 The RSG Lupos that run in the DTC run different pistons, cams, headwork, 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat, race system, BMC type induction, variable inlet as standard, mapped to suit make about 180bhp. I reckon 165 - 170bhp is achievable for a road engine no problem.These lupos use the 260-252 cams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 These lupos use the 260-252 cams?No idea what cams they use tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Spoke to Schrick at the Autosport show on Friday. The 244 exhaust cam plus 260 inlet works best with otherwise standard or only slightly modded motors. The 252 exhaust is the one for a more modded motor eg. headwork, induction, manifold, system, remap.The limitation on the GTI is the roller rockers. The actual design is not the problem (E46 M3 is similar), its the quality of the parts. They are apparently just pressed steel and come to bits at high revs.Mr. Schrick said he would not go beyond 7500rpm.I guess this is the reason why they don't do anything bigger on the cam front.My guess is that RSG use some uprated rockers as there motors run to 8500rpm, but where they are from I don't know.Sorg also do a DTC spec engine, so it may be worth trying to find out what they use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 So would the latter cam combo work on the road? Would it be a pig to drive if headwork and remap is done? obviously there isn't many manifolds about for the gti? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 just had a proper read of that puma racing link.so does anyone know how good standard VW cams are? They say on that link peugeot ones are good so an aftermarket wont give a huge increase. I have heard honda also make good standard internals which are hard to improve on.my collegues at work are trying to convince me to get new cams and pullys, but i dont want to unless theres a good chance its going to be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 from what Ive read (not confermed) the sport has a 248 profile cam as standard.So unless your going for a lumpy cam its possably not work the cash.A chap on here had a bit of head work, and fitted a set of 252s the throttle felt more responcive, but he didnt think the car was any quicker.Then again, his car never got remapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 i like the lumpy tickover, if i was getting cams they would have to be fast road cams at least. does anyone make them for the 1.4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 The cams Schrick do for the GTI are road cams, so don't effect emmissions, idle etc. Would be smooth as standard if re-mapped properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Is it worth spending around £600 on the Schrick 256 cams then? Is there a noticable gain to be had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 A chap on here had a bit of head work, and fitted a set of 252s the throttle felt more responcive, but he didnt think the car was any quicker.Then again, his car never got remapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshirt2k Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 anyone know the gti cam duration , lift etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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