scotty2 Posted May 17, 2021 Report Share Posted May 17, 2021 I have to replace the subframe on our 2002 1.0 Lupo for the MOT. I have tried e-bay and searching this forum but I am still not sure what the alternate fittings are regarding Arosa, Polo e.t.c. Can someone tell me what subframes from other models will fit a standard 1.0 2002 Lupo? Or has anyone got a decent one for sale. I'm in East Yorkshire. Scotty2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 17, 2021 Report Share Posted May 17, 2021 Come to birtley and get a free one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted May 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2021 I can do that! Somewhere near "The Reptile Hotel"?? Can we send a personal mail in this system to get directions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weslangdon Posted May 17, 2021 Report Share Posted May 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Rich said: Come to birtley and get a free one. If that's the Birtley near Chester le Street it's at your own risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigcraft Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 15 hours ago, scotty2 said: I have to replace the subframe on our 2002 1.0 Lupo for the MOT. I have tried e-bay and searching this forum but I am still not sure what the alternate fittings are regarding Arosa, Polo e.t.c. Can someone tell me what subframes from other models will fit a standard 1.0 2002 Lupo? Or has anyone got a decent one for sale. I'm in East Yorkshire. Scotty2 How bad is yours as I’ve just reconditioned mine back to original without too much hassle. Hardest part was waiting for the blaster to clean it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 I was hoping to do a quick swap rather than get the original repaired. For reference, which options are there from other models that would fit? To contact me offline - use "Scotty2" on Pistonheads for PMs. Don't know how to send direct messages on this forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 You're right The reptile hotel. I've got two I am going to weigh in, so you can happily help yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 Great. When and where suits you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 19, 2021 Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 Reply to your pm and life will be easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted May 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2021 DOH! Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted June 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Wire brushed, rustproofed and painted, ready to play. That was the easy bit... Thanks Rich. While it is being stripped down, I have got new discs, pads and wheel bearings to fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted June 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 After a bit of neglect, I have started the exchange. Every nut and bolt rusted to buggery. I have had to change tack and drop the frame out with the wishbones attached as I can't get the strut bolts off. Or brake callipers. As predicted the front two "captive" nuts in the chassis are not. Gave up for a week then with renewed vigour, borrowed a plumber mates Mapp gas torch to free off the exhaust nuts - all 4 then came off without shearing. I then attacked the front mount bolts with a battery powered reciprocating saw which cut them off. Thought that was it but there are more bits to disconnect around the gear linkage. Hopefully then I can lower it down and finish releasing the strut tops to drop the bugger off. The car is not really worth it, but I've started and it is going to a good home... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted July 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Got the Bugger! Worst job is now the replacement of the "captive nuts" Oh, and putting it all back together... On a better note, when pricing up ball joints, I can get whole replacement arms with ball joints for not much more, so to save work I have ordered replacement arms. Edited July 12, 2021 by scotty2 Better picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigcraft Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Be careful with wishbones as I found out. Two types = different sizes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 7/8/2021 at 4:43 PM, tigcraft said: Be careful with wishbones as I found out. Two types = different sizes I found out the hard way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Well, unusually for me, they were the correct ones. Can't get the bloody driveshafts out of the hubs now. Going to have to take the shaft and hub off as one. At least I have built up the replacement subframe, arms and roll bar ready to go on. Edited July 15, 2021 by scotty2 Photos added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted July 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 After another battle, the hubs and driveshafts are off! On the 6 Torx 40 setscrews that hold on the driveshafts, 5 on each side came free but one on each side didn't, and the splines tore in the setscrew. Had to grind the head off. Went back to the car next day to see if I would have to weld a nut on the remains of the screw to loosen them, and I could wind them out by hand! Has the car finally given up on resisting restoration? Captive nut job next. Maybe at the weekend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Yeah, those driveshaft flange bolts are splined, not torx... (double triple square or some such name). Replace as a set, or they could work loose. They stretch. one of my subframes looked even worse than that! pic on here somewhere. I ended up welding it (a lot). It's a huge problem on all Lupos (front and rear). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Shafts are xzn. Splines round them because they allow improper penetration. As for the captive, weld in a drop bolt instead. Danno is doing an auto/manual conversion atm, he is also changing the leaky rack, one of his captives has ****ed because he let the subframe hang on it. He is game to run on three so I'm just going to weld the subframe to the chassis and just never think or worry of the implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I've never done one on a lupo. @Rich if you weld in the front subframe (to the bodyshell), is there a method or trick to make sure it's in exactly the right spot- to the half mm- as otherwise everything will be out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 The method.... It isn't my car, he will run it on three and I'd be happier if he just scrubbed tyres off as opposed to a subframe being attached via one big rubber bushed bit on one side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2 Posted July 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) Right. I have decided to do the "bolt" conversion similar to the diff pins on a TR6. Sourced some M12 bolts, cut the head off and ground a taper ready for welding. Ground the chassis leg ready for welding too. Hopefully rebuilding will start at the weekend! ETA: What XZN size are the driveshaft bolts? Edited July 22, 2021 by scotty2 Request for XZN size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C3peteo Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C3peteo Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 I've changed both shafts and changed the bolts to ones that take an Allen head socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 I do the drop bolts by taking a section of side off, dropping the full bolts in, lining it all up tight, welding the bolt in place and then welding the side back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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