BR4DLEYx Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hi guys, Unfortunately the heads gone on my Lupo! So looking at just buying PD130 engine, gearbox, Lume, ECU ect.... Ovbiously I know it’s not gonna be a straight swap but what sort of issues have people run into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skezza Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 The head gasket ? Or the actual cylinder head? Either way, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Welcome to club lupo! er, it's not as easy a job to swap over as you think. @Skezza is right. It'd be much much easier to fix the original than do a very time consuming engineering job. It'll take about 1200h of work to do a conversion. Not to mention the cost of another decent used Lupo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Wanna buy a head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR4DLEYx Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, Rich said: Wanna buy a head? Do you have a head for sale? it overheated and warped it so it’s shagged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR4DLEYx Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Skezza said: The head gasket ? Or the actual cylinder head? Either way, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Heads warped mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 I have a head I would sell. Wouldn't the current head skim? Pointless putting a 130 in, less power than the standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 too warped to skim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 I'd be worried for the whole thing if it was too warped to skim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR4DLEYx Posted February 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, Rich said: I'd be worried for the whole thing if it was too warped to skim. Would your head need skimming though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 The head didn't come off due to overheating so I wouldn't say so but you should learn to use a steel ruler to check such things. What makes you think the head has gone? Is it doing things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR4DLEYx Posted February 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Rich said: The head didn't come off due to overheating so I wouldn't say so but you should learn to use a steel ruler to check such things. What makes you think the head has gone? Is it doing things? I wouldn’t be completing the work a garage would be doing it for me, also my car overheated to the point of the coolant bottle exploding! So that gave me the main indication I’ve tested the head and is leaking so took it to a garage to get it tested properly and the same answer he thinks it’s been warped unfortunately cars mint I’m around £6k into it so no way I’m giving up over a head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Was there oil in it when you switched off? What condition is the old oil in? What condition are the 'O' ring seals on the water flanges on the head? If they are still rubbery and relatively pliable, the head didn't get that hot- meaning something else is going on. Did it seize? How hot did the ali pistons get? Are the bores glazed? An engine can take up to about 150c before any serious damage starts going on (expansion problems like valve guides dropping out- that kind of thing). If you think the head has warped, check for cracks. It's just an anealed ali casting after all. I've seen engines running dry, to the point where the pistons have begun to melt but still the head hadn't warped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR4DLEYx Posted February 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, mk2 said: Was there oil in it when you switched off? What condition is the old oil in? What condition are the 'O' ring seals on the water flanges on the head? If they are still rubbery and relatively pliable, the head didn't get that hot- meaning something else is going on. Did it seize? How hot did the ali pistons get? Are the bores glazed? An engine can take up to about 150c before any serious damage starts going on (expansion problems like valve guides dropping out- that kind of thing). If you think the head has warped, check for cracks. It's just an anealed ali casting after all. I've seen engines running dry, to the point where the pistons have begun to melt but still the head hadn't warped. I’ll ask the garage as they did the checks, by the sounds of it they have equipment to test it so should have the report I’ll ask for it today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 unless there is other damage, I would be surprised if the head cant be skimmed. You need to get the garage to work out the cause of the over heating, sediment in rad is a good one in cars this age, thermostat not opening, fan thermo-switch faulty are all possible reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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