Lupofather Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hi guys just wondering if you can shed some light on why Vw fox was never as popular as the lupo. Need to get my son a first car. I’m really looking at the lupo but then came across the fox. They just don’t seem to be as popular so was wondering why. Is it poor build quality and issues or just a desirable factor ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Not heard anything negative, to me they are not the most attractive of VW - look bloated + with the skinny wheels they seem out of proportion... but for a first car they always have a small engine and there is not hot model, I assume unpopular with the yoof of today - probably better for insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 They're butt ugly and have six cup holders. Built in Brazil. Ugly and awful, they're just a 9n3 under the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 The Lupo was designed by a small split team from the Polo group to turn a miniature concept car into production (allegedly). The Fox is a small economy car, originally designed for the S American market, with lots of Brazilian tax incentives to get people working. so my take on it, is, yes, they're both vdubs, but one was (apparently) built for the love of proving a concept is possible by an enthusiastic team, whereas the other was built to keep people off the streets. What would you pick? The difference in build quality is obvious, but the tech on Lupo is a lot older. The fox is a newer generation vdub just like @Rich suggests. Lupo is more like a Mk2 golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupofather Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, LR5V said: Not heard anything negative, to me they are not the most attractive of VW - look bloated + with the skinny wheels they seem out of proportion... but for a first car they always have a small engine and there is not hot model, I assume unpopular with the yoof of today - probably better for insurance Your right regarding the youth of today, my son really isn’t keen on the car Edited January 8, 2019 by Lupofather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupofather Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, Rich said: They're butt ugly and have six cup holders. Built in Brazil. Ugly and awful, they're just a 9n3 under the surface. Interesting I Hadn’t realised they shared the polo internals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupofather Posted January 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, mk2 said: The Lupo was designed by a small split team from the Polo group to turn a miniature concept car into production (allegedly). The Fox is a small economy car, originally designed for the S American market, with lots of Brazilian tax incentives to get people working. so my take on it, is, yes, they're both vdubs, but one was (apparently) built for the love of proving a concept is possible by an enthusiastic team, whereas the other was built to keep people off the streets. What would you pick? The difference in build quality is obvious, but the tech on Lupo is a lot older. The fox is a newer generation vdub just like @Rich suggests. Lupo is more like a Mk2 golf. Now this would make a lot of sense why there is so much live for the lupo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I was driving a fox on Sunday, normally I drive a Polo. I prefer a MK4 golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I don't like any variant of the mk4. Even the R32 sucks. Like driving a battleship fitted with a nuclear reactor. Still dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 I drove a MK4 variant earlier and it was fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Rich said: I drove a MK4 variant earlier and it was fun. Which bit was fun? Cornering? Nah. Nimble? Nah. Flooring it? Nah. Watching the leccy systems go nuts? Yup, that was the fun bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 8, 2019 Report Share Posted January 8, 2019 Leccy system has just had new ccm, flooring it was fun and noisy, cornering was fun enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyEunos Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Mk4's rock, good solid engineering (Bar window/lock modules and water ingress) and as a bonus all spares seem to be circa £10 as they've reached an age where supply massively outstretches demand. What's not to like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 I had started typing in a list of everything that has had to be fixed on my mk4 over the last 7 years. Then gave up as i got bored. Windows/locks/leaks were things I hadn't thought of, but also included. Probably about 50 different faults. I don't know why i keep the damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Bushes (all of them) Top mounts Shocks Rack Corroded Pas pipes HG on pd Turbos Dmf Windows Locks Haven't even scratched the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 9, 2019 Report Share Posted January 9, 2019 Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupogtiboy Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 The Fox is a best forgotten VW, doesn't look like a VW imo, ugly piece of crap built for a market where they can get away with cheapness. Window regulators and motors commonly fail too and even VW get the parts on ETKA listed the wrong way around so they are always hassle. I also nearly died in one, so maybe I'm slightly put off by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 10, 2019 Report Share Posted January 10, 2019 Asides from servicing I have never had to touch anything on my gf's so I am not against them in that respect. (Needs two bushes and an exhaust really) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Loop Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 hours ago, Rich said: (Needs two bushes and an exhaust really) Needs to be sold and another Lupo bought really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Yeah, I have been having similar thoughts. But I need at least one economical/cheap car with 4 doors that I can use on long journeys and park in supermarket car parks. A red GTi would be nice. I presently have another leak in my mk4. Another.... and can't find it. I wonder if there's a list of mk4 leak locations. Will have to go on the mk4 forum. Boring lot. Edited January 11, 2019 by mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Blue Loop said: Needs to be sold and another Lupo bought really The fox stays. A leak doesn't need a forum, you know better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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