Sausage Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Bottom arm rear bushes are too soft and squishy with tyres wearing inside edge. Cheap arms with bushes any good or just get some LF bushes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Get bushes. Branded ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 I would suggest TT solid ones - harsh and rattly for first 100 miles, but they soften after that and are great -you get better steering feel and they last a lot longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Yeah, for handling, go for solids. For comfort go for slotted. Your choice... they all wear out after a few potholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted November 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, LR5V said: I would suggest TT solid ones - harsh and rattly for first 100 miles, but they soften after that and are great -you get better steering feel and they last a lot longer Can you link me to some or a part number? Edit: these bad boys? VW: 8N0 407 181 B https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-Meyle-HD-Front-Wishbone-Bushes-Audi-TT-S3-VW-Mk4-Golf-GTI-R32-8N0407181B/400460034723 Part Number: 100 407 0073/HD MEYLE-HD Quality Fitting Position: Rear, Lower, Front Axle Left/Right Height: 41 mm Inner Diameter: 13 mm Outer Diameter: 60 mm Heavy Duty Version Looks different size to FEBI Lupo bush: Thickness/Strength: 46 mm Inner Diameter: 17 mm Outer diameter: 60 mm PN: 07059 Cheers Edited November 23, 2018 by Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Those are the ones - personally I prefer Lemforder. Hope the work well for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted November 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) Is the ID difference a sleeve around the bolt? LF are too pricey for me, these are HD bushes anyway so well above spec for the Lupo, will probably give these a go: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Front-Control-Trailing-Arm-Wishbone-Bushes-for-Audi-VW/183280067147 or the Meyle linked above. OK found LF at better price: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-of-Wishbone-Bushes-Lemforder-OEM-for-VW-Golf-Mk4-R32-Audi-TT-S3/151842236303 Edited November 23, 2018 by Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 How can of be too expensive? They're all cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted November 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Well the difference between £20 a pair for the Meyle and £28 (until I found them for £22) was sufficiently large for me to pass on them. At £22 delivered that is much better. Still tempted by the £15 ones though 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted November 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Bought 2 complete branded arms for £40 delivered, will get some HD bushes etc and rebuild some arms later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeha Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 The reason for the larger hole in the Lupo one is alignment tool for the subframe. The height is a problem as the bush locates in the subframe into a cup at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 I'll investigate when I get some spare arms and post pics here. A washer or two would make up the height difference if it looks like it needs it to centre the bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted December 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Got some TT solid bushes Topran jobbies for £15 delivered a pair as well now. Are there any HD versions for the front bush and drop links before i get some standard ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted December 26, 2018 Report Share Posted December 26, 2018 I have had great value out of Topran stuff, their stuff usually punches at a level higher than their price commands despite the really dodgy sounding name! - But never tried bushes by them, interesting to see how they work out for you, remember the rattling will die down after about a 100 miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 Finally got around to test the solids fit on red TDI. Didnt like the amount of pinch on the subframe to take up the size difference so 2 washers go in with some slight persuasion. M12 i think, 13mm ID 23mm OD 2.5mm thick. They sit in the little slot seats for the bush nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 26, 2019 Report Share Posted January 26, 2019 You're meant to simply bend the lower edge back up again if there's a gap. The central metal sleeve wants to be solidly locked in there... the bolt is not enough on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 5mm gap felt like too much crush on the subframe for my liking. I tried it. The TT bushes are 5mm shorter. Asking for cracking to start there if it is distorted too much. There is the pinch from the bolt holding it all in place not just relying on side loading on the bolt. could always superglue the washers on I suppose but dont see the need tbh. A big washer under the bolt head to spread the load might do it if I remove the washers and crush the gap on the subframe, less strain on the bottom bolt hole then. Will try that in a bit. Edited January 27, 2019 by Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted January 27, 2019 Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 Didn't realise TT bushes are shorter... Aren't golf (R32) types solid and maybe a bit bigger? There's potentially a fair amount of stress on the central sleeve which is why there's the little C shaped slot to firmly locate them. All that jiggling will eventually loosen the bolt if there's sideways motion on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) Just tried it again minus washers and no way is that healthy, didnt get it fully pinched up and I'm not willing to go further, you will get away with one washer. The little seats end up not parallel to the bush ends as well. There is a big washer under bolt head built in I'd forgotten about so no point adding another there to spread the load... No wonder yours rattled LR5V. AFAIK the solid TT ones are same as R32. I knew there was a size difference before buying them, but until they are test fitted it is hard to visualise the effect as I have not taken arms off until now to know what the score is. Edited January 27, 2019 by Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) Bushes in the arms, used large socket and 6 inch vise to remove the ones in there. Found walking it in a bit at a time using vise jaws worked best for fitting them. In and out the rounded profile of the hole and flush with the welded side. As they are solids I assume no bush alignment is needed. Not realistically possible to use a loose top washer as roll bar in the way, so a choice of removing roll bar or bonding them on. Didnt have any glue so used high strength silicon, it is mainly just to hold them in position for mounting but if they are strong enough to stay put under load then a bonus. Edited January 28, 2019 by Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Vice..... Swing the hammer with precision like a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Vise or vice it dont matter. Final seating was done with big socket (44mm 3/4 drive i think) and lump hammer on 75mm tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) Things that make you go hmmm, .... All are supposedly for Arosa, I figured Arosa and Lupo are the same no? Top are Unipart GSJ1680 Bottom one is GSJ3073 Thought this arm was a winner as it is stitch welded all the way around unlike the GSJ1680 Still a pair of these and you can run fatter wheels I guess... (or your driveshafts will bottom out) Edited January 30, 2019 by Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 12:54 PM, Sausage said: Didnt like the amount of pinch on the subframe to take up the size difference so 2 washers go in with some slight persuasion. M12 i think, 13mm ID 23mm OD 2.5mm thick. They sit in the little slot seats for the bush nicely. My apologies - I wasn't aware of the difference in thickness. I would run the washers too, there is friction of the sub-frame holding these in place, its not just the bolt On 1/28/2019 at 2:59 PM, Rich said: Swing the hammer with precision like a man. Hammer, meh.... Hydraulic press FTW Those longer control arms look interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 The longer arms are standard, the shorter ones (10mm difference it looks like) look interesting to me, stitch welded all the way around and the rear bush mount is seam welded both sides so the bush has much better and deeper support. If it looks like the track rod ends have enough adjustment and the drive shafts dont bottom out I'll get another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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