cheers silver your link was superb got a couple ideas now and am liking the RS772's but its now the complication of picking as i am having the regula tuning body kit - http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=regula+tuning+lupo&um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=653&tbm=isch&tbnid=6F9Bur100-HGcM:&imgrefurl=http://vag-tuning.ru/e-store/sale.php%3FSECTION_ID%3D155%26ELEMENT_ID%3D1516&docid=kW4AO9l9q-LiyM&imgurl=http://vag-tuning.ru/upload/iblock/12e/66_0.jpg&w=800&h=574&ei=ueudTt2pOsbJsgbPpOyeCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=103&vpy=189&dur=580&hovh=190&hovw=265&tx=137&ty=102&sig=113656198537104144336&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=190&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0 well i just need a set to go but i like your lupo silver and yours defcon