How quick is a lupo racecar?

[ItsFitzy]

Hi,

I currently race a DC2 integra type R. Its about 210bhp, weighs 900kg's, has a built gearbox (4.7FD & Close 3,4,5 gears) and J's Racing ECU & Coilovers.

I am looking at the lupo on PH (http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3246305.htm) 1.8T ex ADAC Championship car

Would it be quicker or slower that what I currently have? Has anybody raced lupo's before? I have driven one but it was a standard gti.

Brian

[Bikerz]

Id imagine a fair bit quicker then your DC. Easy to find out, just ring and ask what times iits managed on which tracks. I have never driven a hardcore GTI though, but power to weight its far quicker then your DC

[bobbo]

With 350bhp i can only assume it will be a fair bit quicker than your teg, just a bit less stable!

[Deadmetal]

300bhp in a light, short wheel base car will be mental. Will be alot quicker than the DC in s straight line. Dont think it would be quicker on the twistys though.

DCs have a rep of being one of the best handling fwd cars iirc.

[ItsFitzy]

Thanks for the replies guys, the main circuit in Ireland is Mondello (tight, twisty and unfortunately besides the top 3, honda dominated)

The teg handles very well but I was hoping a well sorted lupo would eat it alive....

[Cooper_GTI]

The thing with that much power is that it's really gonna struggle to put the power down, even in a straight line.

I'd imagine a Teg would outhandle it, due to the fact that it's fully independant. Not that you can't make a Lupo handle, but i think you'd struggle to get it on par with a Teg.

[Bikerz]

I think the simple answer is, the lupo would be far more fun! However the DC would be just as quick if not quicker round a track. How cool would you feel and how big would your smile be in a 400bhp lupo tho!

[Defcon5]

What series do you race in - will the Lupo be eligible for your current class?

[ItsFitzy]

I race in the Irish Touring cars,super touring class. Lupo should be eligible (www.itcc.ie)!

[Bikerz]

Rules to note

2.4. Vehicles must retain their original VIN

(chassis number) and original plate, which

must be clearly visible and readable. The

VIN must be valid for the chassis it is

attached to.

2.1. Vehicles must be constructed by a

major vehicle manufacturer and be

currently or previously available as a

factory OEM vehicle with factory seating

capacity for at least 4 people

No tube frame/ space frame vehicles or

tube frame chassis extensions are

permissible. Vehicles must have steel

main pillars.

2.9 Original floor and bulkhead must be

retained and not modified, it is permissible to

remove the spare wheel well and replace

with a flat section of steel not less than 2mm

in thickness. This piece must be no more

than 1000mm in any direction and no higher

than the surrounding original floor.

Strengthening of the suspended parts of the

chassis and bodywork through the addition

of parts and/or material is allowed under the

following conditions: The shape of the

reinforcing part/material must follow the

surface of the part to be reinforced, having a

shape similar to it and the following

maximum thickness measured from the

surface of the original part

- 4 mm for steel parts

- 12 mm for aluminium alloy parts

For bodywork parts, the reinforcing

part/material must be on the area not visible

from the outside. Stiffening ribs are allowed

but the making of hollow sections is

forbidden.

The reinforcing part/material must not

have any other function than that of

reinforcement

1.11 The bulkhead between engine and

drivers compartment must be sealed

against the passage of flame or fluid

People somtimes cut away bulk head

Must seat 4 with cage around (rally type reg it seems)

No Log book on this car and no plate (Think reg only requires VINs)

This is a good one for you

6.2. Tyres width is limited based on the

weight of the vehicle. See section 6.3 for

details. The maximum tyre width is based

on the weight of the car and all fluids, but

excluding driver and his equipment

(helmet, suit etc) at the end of a race or

qualifying session. The width of the tyre will

185 tyres with 350bhp. LOL

[99hjhm]

I put some vid's up of Ian Carvell's Lupo GTI 1.8T from the VW cup years back, it was awesome fast(Quickest car in the championship) with 180BHP!

[Bikerz]

Go on James post the links

[truCido]

that ADAC car lives around the corner from me and I've seen it a few times now!

Also says £4000 for without the engine? How is a 300bhp 1.8T engine worth £4000? Its not.....a standard Leon Cupra R engine has 225bhp standard with a map about 275bhp, not sure how much you could pick one up for? I'd imagine £1000 absolute tops!