smitty12 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I've converted the front hubs, calipers on my Lupo S to Lupo GTI 256 brake set up.The tracking seems to be well out when driving and the wheels dont seem like they will alignWhat is different between the standard S set up and the GTI set up? Thought bottom ball joints but apparenatly they are all exactly the same across the full Lupo range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newnesie Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Might sound silly, but have you had the tracking and alignment done since you changed the hubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris27 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) Lower arm ball joints are different. How is it out? Serious positive or negative camber or is the toe?Edit: Did you change the ball joints? Edited June 15, 2011 by chris27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty12 Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Lower arm ball joints are different. How is it out? Serious positive or negative camber or is the toe?Edit: Did you change the ball joints?Yes i put the Lupo S ball joints on the GTI hubs but they are exactly the same. All lupo Ball Joints are the same apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bickerton Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Camber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris27 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) Yes i put the Lupo S ball joints on the GTI hubs but they are exactly the same. All lupo Ball Joints are the same apparentlyAs I said above, they're not. But anyway what is the issue as you still haven't said?? If you changed just the hubs i would assume it was camber. This is adjustable on the hub by the two bolts which connect the strut to the hub. The holes on the hub are elongated, allowing you to move the hub in and out, this is what adjusts the camber. Edited June 15, 2011 by chris27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bickerton Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Is tracking is slightly out, camber being out can make it horrific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty12 Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 Might be camber then. It seems as if the wheels arnt alignedWhat is the difference between the ball joints then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblet Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 GTI ball joints stick out further to give the slightly wider track that a GTI has.You'll only get true GTI ball joints from VW as everywhere else seems to think there is only 1 kind, including those for the GTI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty12 Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 I have a set of GTI ball joints that came with the hubs, do you think they'll sort the problem as i've put my old S ball joints on.The back of the wheels are rubbing on the arches when on full lock, do the GTI ball joints push the wheels further forward with the wider track? I'm guessing it'll be the camber together with the smaller ball joints?My worry is that the GTI wishbones are different :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEP51 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 if u havent had the tracking and alignment done yet, then that is most likely your only thing to do, if everything else seems to fit and the car rolls around happily, all is good.Get it to a garage and get the tracking and alignment sorted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris27 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) The bottom arms are the same (99% sure), but as above the ball joints are wider. If you fitted the gti ball joints it will cause more problems than good as you are bringing the mounting of the hub outwards. This will alter the camber but the toe will be dramatically changed and both front wheels will be aiming outwards as the length of the track rods has not changed. Keep the original s ball joints on and get the wheels correctly aligned by a garage. Remember that the wheel alignment will require doing again if you remove the hubs or fit coilovers etc. Edited June 16, 2011 by chris27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK16V Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) I've converted the front hubs, calipers on my Lupo S to Lupo GTI 256 brake set up.The tracking seems to be well out when driving and the wheels dont seem like they will alignWhat is different between the standard S set up and the GTI set up? Thought bottom ball joints but apparenatly they are all exactly the same across the full Lupo rangeI'm about to do the same conversion, so the way to go is to keep the Lupo S's lower ball joints + the steering ball joints?Funny thing: Just checked ETKA and the difference between the Lupo S and the GTi's lower ball joints is that the right one from the Lupo S fits on the GTi on the left side, and visa versa....so maybe they are the same just mounted the otherway round.... Edited June 21, 2011 by DK16V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerz Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) I did GTI conversion on mrs E sdi. It was fine. I think I used her sdi ball joints. Edited June 22, 2011 by Bikerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty12 Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I'm using the GTI ball joints Problem all sorted now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meggsy21. Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Smitty12 where did you buy your GTI hubs and how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 You do realise that the last post was 2 years ago?Look in Classifieds and on eBay to see of anyone is breaking.http://dsa.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313&_nkw=lupo+gti+breaking&_sacat=0&_from=R40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I know where he bought the hubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeplupo Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 I am about to do this swap and am limbo as to whether I need to swap the Ball Joints. If so can I use Lupo Sport ball joints as they also run the same brake setup?Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grazza Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Deeplupo, I've done the full GTi conversion, use your normal standard balljoints otherwise you will need to camber the wheels as the GTi balljoints push the hubs out wider. Get a full geometry check done, camber tracking etc the full works. I did the GTi rear axle too, trying to fit polybushed are a pain in the back side but eventually managed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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