Grizzle Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Okay so here's the crack, i have a 1.4tdiThe turbo blew on it the other day and im worried that its damaged the internalsIdeally i want to rip it out and replace it with a 1.9 Tdi but there is just no information anywhere..Ive seen the thread from "PD150" which has some pretty helpfull infoJust wondering if anyone has any bit of info/ideas or suggestions that would help me out??Mainly what parts to use and what im putting myself in for lol..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTRea Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I've looked Into this my self. But decieded against it ATM. However I would advise going for the 130pd engine as it is a better engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie1 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 theres a bloke who did it in a mk1 arosa called dieseldragon but his site has gone, hes got info on tdiclubJust found this youd be better off reading through, iv not read it myself so cant guarantee content lol.http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=222636&page=6You could look at the a2 90bhp 1.4tdi as that comes with vnt turbo, pd150 internals ect but dont know if it would fit streight in.Or the new polo engine with vnt and particulate filter if your into that kind of thing lol, good mpg but poo power i think and the particulate filter arnt popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) pd130 is better than the pd150pd150 suffers from cam lobe wear... other wise known as the 'chocolate cam'pd130 with pd150 hybrid turbo and supporting mods and your looking at 220-240bhpor a 2260VK turbo and 260-280 bhp Edited March 21, 2011 by Big Jase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Cheers for the help guys this is very useful!So definatly go for the pd130?Which engine is gunna be bestIve been told the skoda engine (im guessing the fabia vrs) fits the best??And ive also read that running a 5 speed box would be best??Soon as i get enough info im gunna get this started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 You could be right with the 5 speed as the 6 speed box is a monsterMy mates putting an s3 engine in his gti and using a mk3 gti 5 speed box!!A lupo with a +200bhp tdi engine will be a beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 You could be right with the 5 speed as the 6 speed box is a monsterMy mates putting an s3 engine in his gti and using a mk3 gti 5 speed box!!A lupo with a +200bhp tdi engine will be a beastAwesome i cant imagine what these things go like with 20vt's inIts gunna be evil!Im thinking maybe a 5 speed mk4 golf or leon box?Im just going to get it in and running sweet standard firstThen it will be time to squeeze some horses outta it Then yeh i recon get it up too 200bhp+ and it should romp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini-man-dan Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Will be a very interesting little motor. I've always fancied a GTI with a high-power tdi, Lupo GT-TDI but GTIs are just worth too much to pull apart like that.Will be more of a sleeper in a standard shell though, awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuky Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 pd130 is better than the pd150pd150 suffers from cam lobe wear... other wise known as the 'chocolate cam'pd130 with pd150 hybrid turbo and supporting mods and your looking at 220-240bhpor a 2260VK turbo and 260-280 bhpAre you sure?I'm asking you because all the 100,115,130,150 PD engines use the same head, camshaft and valves.PD130/150 use the same block and pistons, rods, crankshaft, oil pump, injectors... practically the same engine minus the turbo and intercooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Joyce Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Do it! And post a project build. You help so many people out. Iv been lookin into this swap my self for in a years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDGM Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I think PD150 recommended using a Polo 105PD 5 speeder on the swap.I went out in our Ibiza FR on sunday for the first time in a few months. It's raw with the Revo on it, something the Altea needs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexTRea Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'm really considering doing this now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treblet Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd suggest speaking to nfbr if you want any diesel tuning tips, he has a PD130 Bora running 192bhp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Are you sure?I'm asking you because all the 100,115,130,150 PD engines use the same head, camshaft and valves.PD130/150 use the same block and pistons, rods, crankshaft, oil pump, injectors... practically the same engine minus the turbo and intercooler.the pd130 and pd150 and certainly different i know that!the 130 has stronger internals...i cant comment on the lesser bhp models as im unfamiliar with those, i just know its been said for years that your better off with the pd130 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuky Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) the pd130 and pd150 and certainly different i know that!the 130 has stronger internals...i cant comment on the lesser bhp models as im unfamiliar with those, i just know its been said for years that your better off with the pd130Ok, I checked Etka to be sure on the differences between PD130 and PD150Camshaft - 038 109 101 R - The same part number on bothThe block and piston set- 038 103 101 AB (AH after 2003) - The same part number on bothConrod - 038 198 401B - The same part number on bothCrankshaft - 038 105 021 K - The same part number on bothOil pump - 038 115 105D - The same part number on bothInjectors - 038 130 073 AL or 038 130 079 BX - The same part number on bothSo neither of them is stronger, the engines are the same. Edited March 22, 2011 by cuky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 pretty sure there's issues with the pd150 in 2002...alot of mkiv anniversary tdi owners have cam lobe wear problemsill do some digging and see if i can come up with anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 found some infoits not the camshaft that is the problem, its the hydraulic tappits (or buckets if you like) the factory ones are a weak point in the engine and these were revised in november 2005. The original ones straight out the factory were chrome topped, the new revised ones are black in colour and apparantly they are "baked" longer and with that they are strengthened!the actual fault is the buckets wear on the top, causing them to bow out on the lobes of the camshaft, which in turn then wears the lobes and causes all the faults described. The worst case scenario is that the camshaft will snap and in this case the head will not be servicable (these are around £1500 + vat from dealer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 also from reading a thread over on uk mkiv's the problem seems to be 90% with 2002 pd150'smaybe a weak parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99hjhm Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 PD150 is a pile of poo.....Cost my friend £1k to fix, and now it's in at VW with oil pump failure and another scrap cam and bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbles21 Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 This would be nuts! Get it done grizzle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzle Posted March 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 My minds pretty set on the VRS fabia engine I think it seems bestAparently alot of the ancillaries are 'slimline' so give abit more room?Plus I've seen and read of alot of well over 200bhp vrs'sso will be easy to source parts and info to get it romping I just started a new job Monday so I got to work a week in hand :/ But as soon as that money's in my bank I will go get me an engine and start getting this baby inIf you guys have Anymore info tho keep it comingOr if I'm going for the wrong engine lemme know ahaReally apriciste the replys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThE gOg Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 i can echo whats been said about the pd150 being pants, i had a 53 plate golf mk4 gti pd150 that the missis used to use to commute to work in.until the fatefull day she rings me up and says "the engine is making a funny noise", £1600 later it was fixed. it did indeed wear the cam lobes down and wear through a couple of the valve caps. all had to be replaced. its was at about 80k miles iirc.never heard anything bad about the 130, and if youre tuning it up anyway that 20 bhp difference will soon get lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revo Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Looking forward to seeing some progress . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jase Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 My minds pretty set on the VRS fabia engine I think it seems bestAparently alot of the ancillaries are 'slimline' so give abit more room?Plus I've seen and read of alot of well over 200bhp vrs'sso will be easy to source parts and info to get it romping I just started a new job Monday so I got to work a week in hand :/ But as soon as that money's in my bank I will go get me an engine and start getting this baby inIf you guys have Anymore info tho keep it comingOr if I'm going for the wrong engine lemme know ahaReally apriciste the replys i had a 220bhp fabia vrs and a 267bhp golf tdi there wicked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64 SPLIT Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 would the conversion require custom-made engine mounts then to fit it?having done an engine swap in my Lupo already, I'd be intrigued to see how much extra work is involved in mounting up a PD engine (aside from the loom/ECU). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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