Tigz™ Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 As you know Im buying the Sport engine off Matt now hes been lucky enough to transplant the 1.8T.The plan has always been to turbo the thing, but after hearing of bad experiances with Turbo'd 1.4s Ive been looking at other options.Ive desided on a throttle body conversion.Been speaking to our Low Loader driver whos son is building a RWD Mini powered by a CBR1000 engine.It turns out he has a spare non running engine, so is going to check if he wants to do me a deal on the throttle bodies, fuel rail and injectors.Also been in touch with a dude who can make up an adaptor for the inlet manifold. (Its a mate of the guy who did my chassis work) Hes suppose to be a magician with alloy, so we'll have to see how that one goes.Early days yet, but its a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabo Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Have thought about supercharging?If I understand correctly you by changing fuel delivery system you want to be able to pump more fuel and have it mixed better, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvid Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Love the Idea Tigz! i liked my `turbo-1`.4 but is needs a lot of work to make it reliable. Take a look at what sorg motorsport (germany) did with throttlebodies on a polo engine. I read an article about the work they did on a 1.6 16v engine (polo) used throttlebodies and a lot of nice headwork. It made about 160hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 QUOTE(Jabo)Have thought about supercharging?If I understand correctly you by changing fuel delivery system you want to be able to pump more fuel and have it mixed better, right?Chargings alright, but the chargers a lot of extra weight.Ya, instead of having the one body, theres four, so a lot more fuel can be mixed.Works like carbs but with injectors.QUOTE(Arvid)Take a look at what sorg motorsport (germany) did with throttlebodies on a polo engine. I read an article about the work they did on a 1.6 16v engine (polo) used throttlebodies and a lot of nice headwork. It made about 160hp.Thanks buddy I'll take a look at that, still need to read up on this, as the only knowlage I have is what Cliffords gone through with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Use Jenvey 40mm throttle bodies and DTA engine management. Sorg sell a proper inlet manifold. With a Tony Law (or BTB etc.) `4-2`-1 manifold and proper system you'll have 140bhp on an otherwise standard ABF engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy Lupo Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 sounds lairy andi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Yes but the cost of it wouldnt make it worth while.I can do it on the cheap, by useing self febricated manifolds and bike bodies.Only thing I'll need to buy full price will be the ECU and Cams.Oh, and a exhaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvid Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Oh, and a exhaustlet me know, maybe i can help you with that part when the time is there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Bike bodies will be fine. Ask your inlet man to make ports on the inlet follow the same arc as the inlet ports on the head or you will loose a bit of power. Also make sure it is plenty long enough. From the tip of the ram pipe to the centre of the inlet valve needs to be about 400mm. For an ECU on the cheap you can use a Peugeot unit. Check out www.chipwizards.co.uk for all the info. The bloke does my mapping and is crap hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris260 Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Great idea! Will sound amazing too!! There was a bloke on the clubgti trackday scene that was running a mk3 polo with either a 1.4 16v or 1.6 16v on bodies. That thing is seriously quick!! Always used to have the quickest times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Nice one buddy thats for your help.Ive just dropped him a line to see if he can help out.The engines not going in untill 2006 so theres no rush, just wanna get everything together ready.What diffrence does the size of the ram pipe make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hello. That was me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...superlupo... Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 can't wait to hear this thing. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted November 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Dude, Im gonna need help fitting it, I think a CL fitting meet is a must. lolI want tune tune the engine before it goes in.Si is getting me a price for the head work.Then a couple of week before international 2006 Im gonna fit it and pray it works! lolThe warrenty doesnt run out untill June, but I have put my foot down and told her that I am voiding the warrenty a month early as there is no way Im gonna miss kicking a mk3vr ass up the track.1. To beat that ******* who took the piss out of my `0-54mph` `0-60` *couff* sprint, on the vr owners club forum.2.And most of all to finally shut up my vr mate who has taken the piss out of my car for too long.I cant wait to beat his GTTDi 115 Golf. style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish_Sport_16V Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 what 1/4 mile times we looking? any idea much this would cost lol ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I dont know.£100 for the boddies, injectors, and rail (if he desides to sell the spare CBR bodies)£400 for cams (after talking to Clifford and ross I think im gonna go rough with these) £300 (ish) for the ECU.£50 for the inlet manifold adaptor.£unsure of the head work as yet.I should be able to fit it all so should save on fitting costs.Pay someone to set it up (although im hoping some clever CL members may be able to help me do this style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> )I've already got most of the parts for the brakes.A friend of Darren has a 1.4 16v Corsa Sport on throttle boddies which I think has 160bhp.If done right (bare in mind, ive never done anything like this before) it should be able to take a standard GTi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Done right it will be quicker than a GTI. Make sure you use the Sport gearbox. This engine has a totally different head to the GTI and there are more cams available, from Schrick anyway. If you're getting the head done, go for the gnarliest hydraulic profile they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrat Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 QUOTE(Dogwood) go for the gnarliest hydraulic profile they do.ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 QUOTE(Dogwood)Make sure you use the Sport gearbox. I am useing a Sport Gearbox, but why is it important?QUOTE(Dogwood)This engine has a totally different head to the GTI and there are more cams availableThats why I wanted to use the 1.4 over the 1.6, seen the problems members have had trying to tune the GTi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogwood Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 The ratios are quite close cos of the short final drive, about 18.5/1000rpm in top i think. Basically it will go better through the gears but won't have huge top end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Lack of top ends probably a good thing, its acceleration im after here.How much power will the gearbox be able to cope with?How strong are the sport clutches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish_Sport_16V Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Does any one know the what the specs for standerd sport cams? ie, duration,lift etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Very intresting thread here guyshttp://www.clubgti.com/forum/forum_posts.a...8608&PN=1&TPN=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish_Sport_16V Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Hmmm tigz u gonna kick my ass if i do this too? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish_Sport_16V Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 What u gonna do about the throttles now u know bike ones arent a good idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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