REDLooP Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Perhaps your in reverse? Well yeah bein me i probs am lol, even flat out 2nd an 3rd gear round abouts in the wet wont do anythin. Even been tryin to make it understeer an it wont have any of it haha. Is my car a freak???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Mind, 50BHP is always going to struggle to break traction! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 i can break traction! its easy! hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Even as standard they are pretty rubbish in the wet. Well that is if you have rubbish brand tyres. When i got mine it had cheapo tyres on, it would bearly do rounabouts at 15mph in the wet without wanting to take the closest exit! It was horendous. Although i changed to some contis and the grip was awsome, but improved. Ive now tried a whole load of different brands, and all i can say is, it generally pays to pay more for your tyres, and get a good brand!Cheap tyres dont have silica in them, which is what you need for good wet weather grip. Tyre pressures doent do much in the wet, lower is generally a bit better, i have mine set to the lowest pressure, but tyre shoulder wear is pretty heavy. Oh, id never recommend more pressure in the rears than the fronts on these, or other front drive cars, your just asking for trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 The less pressure you have in the front, the larger the footprint.Wouldn't this help with understeer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 would that not increase roll aswell though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 would that not increase roll aswell though?Tyre flex maybe, but not body roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) The less pressure you have in the front, the larger the footprint.Wouldn't this help with understeer?Well, not really, Yes slightly lower pressure in the front is a little better for grip, although it means most of the cornering forces will be on your tyre edge, so they will wear super quick. But then, the less pressure the more weight is put on the widewalls, leaving the middle of the tyres will less weight, meaning less grip fron the centre of thr tyres. Or thats how i look at it, and what ive read suggests. I did experiment with a set of old 14" steels recently, i inflated them to 40PSi front and 35psi rear (so within the tyres limits of 44) at first, the steering was super sharp and the grip in the dry was not too bad actually, as the sidewall didnt flex as much. Although the ride was bad, as you would expect, and the steering felt too jittery and light, but gave a lot of feedback. Grip in the wet was awsful, just pushed straight on. I then (after letting the tyres cool) dropped the pressure to 26psi front and 25 psi rear. The ride was super nice, didnt feel as jittery as normal, the steering was nice and weighted (its usually very light on mine for somereason), the dry grip was impressive, loads of it, although when pushed the tyres howled and, when i checked, the tyres had been rolling right onto the sidewalls, wet grips was worse than at normal pressure, tyre wear will obviously be prettt poor and feedback was num. Obviously its not recommended to run at those pressures, i just thought it try see how mcuh difference they made. Plus my car had a funny knocking on the steering, so i was trying to see if the pressures made it worse so i could demonstrate the knock to tha garage!As a general rule, more pruessure in the front will increase over steer, and more in the back (than the front especially) will increase understeer. But dont go rund with under or over inflated tyres, into not a good idea! Keep around the recommended pressures.I tend to have 30/1 in the front and 28/9 in the backs. Edited October 7, 2008 by cardaft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossjohnc Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I've heard it argued that low tyre pressure can decrease grip, as although there's a greater surface area, there's now less weight per square inch of tyre on the tarmac. I'd say you're better off sticking with reccomended pressures too.And a good make of tyre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Rainsports.Clue in the title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpo Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 A jabba sport arb and the same pressures front and rear tyres worked well for me still under-steered if pushed, but much later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Interesting diagram of inflation footprints and profiles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clairey Fairy Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 My nose is the same shape as correct inflation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Interesting diagram of inflation footprints and profiles...Yup, that explains it all really, less pressure is just as bad for grip as too much pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartagram Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I've got 165/50/15s and it can be a bit slippery in the wet but as long as you don't drive it like a helmet its not going anywhere. You can kick it about in the wet and it will slide but its not a bad sliding about, its very easy to control and you just need to make sure you don't give it to much throttle. I'm no race car driver but even I can give my Lupo with narrower tyres than stock some abuse in the wet and feel safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niche Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I'd rather slide everywhere in a lowered car than drive a standard lupo which feels like it's going to topple over.Jelly suspension FTW.Polo 9N must have a completely different setup as it corners completely flat.Even though I have steels it corners better than a Lupo Sport. Can't wait until I get my Bridgestones on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Its all that excess weight sticking you to the road! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupoluke Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 How new are the tyres, because "they" say you shud becareful with them for the first 500 miles to scrub them in as they use an oily based substance in the factory to remove them from the mould which makes them uber slippery when wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Its all that excess weight sticking you to the road!You call hing hm porky? That's bad. All the little beasties will be able to climb from your floor onto the upholstery to lay their eggs. The legs are there so only the really fit ones make it: therefore encouraging superbreeding. It helps more if you polish them regularly!You sir are playing with evolution!Jeez! The young of today... if that is true i will eat my beard!!!Actually it is based on a truth.I watched a documentary on TV a while back and it was about historic living and furniture design.Apparently the cast iron or brass bedstead was developed to stop the beasties crawling up the legs back in the olden times.I don't know wether it's true, but it was in colour; so I believed it. If there any furniture history buffs out there, would you like to confirm?...or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 You call hing hm porky? Is the Polo a he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricpanda Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) My sports pretty low and I dont slide unless I do it intentionally? Maybe its your skillage!! Edited October 8, 2008 by electricpanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigz™ Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Mine doesnt slide, it hops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyeBaz Posted October 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Checked last night and the tyres are called 'Event' which after some research are Dutch budget tyres.They certainly live upto there name when you go over a wet drain cover Increased the tyres to 32 psi on the fronts last night and waiting for another rainy day. As stated before low speeds on roundabouts are tricky Have had the tyres a while now and only noticing again, when the weather is getting worseWill have to dig out the tracking information tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardaft Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I'd rather slide everywhere in a lowered car than drive a standard lupo which feels like it's going to topple over.Jelly suspension FTW.Polo 9N must have a completely different setup as it corners completely flat.Even though I have steels it corners better than a Lupo Sport. Can't wait until I get my Bridgestones on the front.Yup, lupos are not the best handling cars ever, although your polo has a similar set up at the back to the lupo, although i think you might have a rear ARB? The Mk5 polo has different suspension, although ive not really driven one to find out how much better they are!Checked last night and the tyres are called 'Event' which after some research are Dutch budget tyres.They certainly live upto there name when you go over a wet drain cover Increased the tyres to 32 psi on the fronts last night and waiting for another rainy day. As stated before low speeds on roundabouts are tricky Have had the tyres a while now and only noticing again, when the weather is getting worseWill have to dig out the tracking information tonightAh, there you go then, cheap tyres are cheap for a reason ... Has anyone ever taken notice of the tyres halfords fit to their wheel deals? (not that im interested in those!) but have a glance at them next time your in, i swear, they are plastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Green Giant Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 "if that is true i will eat my beard!!!"Actually it is based on a truth.I watched a documentary on TV a while back and it was about historic living and furniture design.Apparently the cast iron or brass bedstead was developed to stop the beasties crawling up the legs back in the olden times.I don't know wether it's true, but it was in colour; so I believed it. If there any furniture history buffs out there, would you like to confirm?...or not!this hair and ham sandwich doesnt taste good AT ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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