jacko1066 Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 (edited) Has anyone turbo'd a 1.6 gti ?? and how much have they gained from it ?I am stuck on what to do to the lupo i have already bought a fair few supercharger bits inc the charger but i dont know wether i want to turbo the gti instead i have got a few prices for turbo's and management etc but i dont know where to get some uprated pistons and rods from. Could anyone point me in the right direction ??The guy who will be fitting it all for me has reccomended doing the turbo conversion as this will see more gains , he builds track cars for a living and also does tubular manifolds. I was really impressed with the gains from pauls sport but just wanitng to know if anyone has turbo'd the gti to compare power gainsThanksJamie Edited November 28, 2007 by jacko1066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 BlackRat has turbo'ed a GTiNot sure if he's even got it any more though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16v6n Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Has anyone turbo'd a 1.6 gti ?? and how much have they gained from it ?I am stuck on what to do to the lupo i have already bought a fair few supercharger bits inc the charger but i dont know wether i want to turbo the gti instead i have got a few prices for turbo's and management etc but i dont know where to get some uprated pistons and rods from. Could anyone point me in the right direction ??The guy who will be fitting it all for me has reccomended doing the turbo conversion as this will see more gains , he builds track cars for a living and also does tubular manifolds. I was really impressed with the gains from pauls sport but just wanitng to know if anyone has turbo'd the gti to compare power gainsThanksJamieA propper GTi Turbo should see in the region of 250-300hp with the right parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001gti Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 A propper GTi Turbo should see in the region of 250-300hp with the right parts.a bit optomistic dont you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 a bit optomistic dont you think?with every bit of the valve gear uprated and pistons rods headstuds and a lot of cash its do able but wont be much fun in a road car i wouldnt think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16v6n Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 (edited) a bit optomistic dont you think?, It could be done, I dont see why not , the vw small block engine is a cracking motor. 300 hp isnt optimistic at all.... take a look at the saxo boys the well known tuners can get up to 350 hp from a 1.6 16v. Would be alot more flexable in terms or weight vs a"boggo" 20vT to lupo conversion. The 1.6 Turbo would also rev alot more freely Edited December 4, 2007 by 16v6n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
academic Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 i think 180-200 bhp would be plenty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joff16v Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 lmao 350bhp from a saxo??? lmao are you on crack? even if it had tht much it would no way be able to put it down!!as said power from a basic turbo'd gti would be around 180-200bhp depending on what turbo etc of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willcrook Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 ^ 'tard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vworks41 Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 , It could be done, I dont see why not , the vw small block engine is a cracking motor. 300 hp isnt optimistic at all.... take a look at the saxo boys the well known tuners can get up to 350 hp from a 1.6 16v. Would be alot more flexable in terms or weight vs a"boggo" 20vT to lupo conversion. The 1.6 Turbo would also rev alot more freelyYes it could be done, but what would be the point. Even in a straight line you'd have a hard time geting the power down, let alone the twisty bits.And thats why the venom loop didn't last long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 what would be the point.Good question, but if I could have 300 BHP I would, wouldn't you?NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vworks41 Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Good question, but if I could have 300 BHP I would, wouldn't you?NOCKI would...but not in a lupo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOCK Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 I would...but not in a lupo I would...Infact make it 400-even better NOCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vworks41 Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 I would...Infact make it 400-even better NOCKSpeed freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgarf Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) 400bhp is fun(i know just sold a s3 running that) but your always looking overyour shoulder and it brakes alot! leaving my lupo gti i have just got alone in the engine dept........ who does these turbo builds???? Edited December 6, 2007 by mrgarf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16v6n Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 lmao 350bhp from a saxo??? lmao are you on crack? even if it had tht much it would no way be able to put it down!!as said power from a basic turbo'd gti would be around 180-200bhp depending on what turbo etc of course!On Crack? no , I think you'll find if you do some digging around that there are many 1.6's are pusing over proven 300hp..... many RS Turbo's running full steel bottom end and worked on CVH's heads , Honda Civic B16's and Also D16's (16v & 8v).I have no doubt that VW 1.6 small block make easily make 300hp with the correct hardware.Nobody as far as I'm aware has built a propper one and gone full blown, big turbo/ steel etc. Would be interesting to see one.Turn up the boost!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyA Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Would be a money pit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joff16v Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 On Crack? no , I think you'll find if you do some digging around that there are many 1.6's are pusing over proven 300hp..... many RS Turbo's running full steel bottom end and worked on CVH's heads , Honda Civic B16's and Also D16's (16v & 8v).I have no doubt that VW 1.6 small block make easily make 300hp with the correct hardware.Nobody as far as I'm aware has built a propper one and gone full blown, big turbo/ steel etc. Would be interesting to see one.Turn up the boost!!!u said 300bhp bhp from a saxo! u never mentions rs turbos or b16's!to get 300bhp out a lupo 1.6 16v your talking 5 k+ in PARTS! plus setting up, installing then youve got issues of actually getting any of tht power tot ouch the floor!why would you wana run tht much power in a loop! unless your running 4wd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 u said 300bhp bhp from a saxo! u never mentions rs turbos or b16's!to get 300bhp out a lupo 1.6 16v your talking 5 k+ in PARTS! plus setting up, installing then youve got issues of actually getting any of tht power tot ouch the floor!why would you wana run tht much power in a loop! unless your running 4wd!same reason the ford boys do cos ya can thats the only reason needed when you tune a car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16v6n Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 u said 300bhp bhp from a saxo! u never mentions rs turbos or b16's!to get 300bhp out a lupo 1.6 16v your talking 5 k+ in PARTS! plus setting up, installing then youve got issues of actually getting any of tht power tot ouch the floor!why would you wana run tht much power in a loop! unless your running 4wd!As I said 300-350hp from a 1.6 16v saxo isnt a problem if you know what you are doing.106 16v EngineSaxo 1.6 16v TurboPictures and VideoPeople would question why Bill Brockbank is running 500hp odd in an Ibiza .... so 300hp in a loop with correct suspension and engine build would be a nice setup, for fast road or track. .. but we digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko1066 Posted December 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Cheers for the reply guysBut after consideration going 1.8T nowGot a full golf damaged repairable for £1100 going to start stripping both cars down next week. Just going to put a bigger turbo on maybe a KO4 a front mount , tubular manifold , full sytem , filter and a remap and see what i can pull from thatthe gti engine , box , loom , ecu and other parts will be available in the new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16v6n Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 did you get anywhere with this...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Personally i think the money you would spend on the 1.6 16v to get it up to 300hp would be the same to get a 20v turbo up to 350 - 450bhp, i think the 20v are a very could bench mark to start from as you can get performance parts easily where as turboing a 1.6 gti engine would be difficult as you would have to get parts "made" which can get very exspensive! loli mean a BAM engine is 225 on standard managment you can get the standard managment remapped and you should be pulling 270 ish from just a remap, and standard intercooler parts.i was goin to do a 20v in my golf but went for nos instead! hehe im sure you will deciede but if youve got a 20v "avalible" then rip it out with box and all management simple and cost effective! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veedubdude Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Your problem with the 20V is that it is a heavier engine, and your unbalancing the car even more.Ive completed my basic GTi engine build now, and run it for 500 miles or so. The car is coming back off the road in the next few weeks to get the turbo strapped to it. Im hoping for anything over 200 with a KO3. Everything inside the Gti engine should be fine for that, but Im also running ARP rod bolts and every other bearing and bolt has been replaced for brand new VW parts to be on the safe side!The first part of the lupo GTi engine you're going to run into problems with is the head. The roller rockers aren't supposed to be good for more than around 215 or so - but until you try them you just dont know. This can be easily remedied by using the head off the older polo 6N head which doesn't use roller rockers and is alot stronger. It is almost a straight swap apart from one of the water ways in the head needs to be elongated.Im going to use the roller rockers and see how it goes for now. When she's fitted and tuned Ill give some more feedback of reliabilty, longevity and power! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16v6n Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I would Love to see someone make 300hp + from a worked on GTI engine. It would make a really exiting engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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