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There was a thread on this a while back, but I'm pretty sure it's been archived/deleted.

I always used to be in the 'yes' camp, fireworks can be fun if they're dealt with correctly, although I usually find public displays are a lot better - each to their own, no need for a nanny state etc etc.

Then one year I was at a public display. When it ended, a group of about 20 'lads' decided it would be funny to let rockets off in to the crowd. Obviously everyone scarpered for fear of getting hit, but one lady struggled as she had a pram, and the pram got hit. I don't think there was any damage, fortunately, but security and even small numbers of police were completely powerless against them.

Then I decided I'd change my stance on the matter...

Last night someone thought it would be a good idea to set fireworks off in the cinema blink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

My opinion hasn't changed. There are stupid people out there, and unfortunately they're the people that ruin it for the rest of us - I think you should need a licence for fireworks, and there should be other restrictions on the way that they're transported in public to prevent people carrying them for that kind of purpose.

Selling fireworks to the public is daft.

What do you think?

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Every year rockets get set off at cars by a group of twits, on the same road.

My car got hit a few years ago, luckly the window was up, so it was just scare from an exploding fire work and nothing more.

Ban them.

Theres no need for them.

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i voted yes they should be legal. but letting fireworks off into a crowd or in a cinema should be illegal unless it isnt already..

i also think kids should be more punishable under the law. if they do something wrong send them to france for a year or something. i believe in exile and exclusion.

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i voted yes they should be legal. but letting fireworks off into a crowd or in a cinema should be illegal unless it isnt already..

i also think kids should be more punishable under the law. if they do something wrong send them to france for a year or something. i believe in exile and exclusion.

Of course it's illegal to let off fireworks in to a crowd! But it's not illegal to carry fireworks and a lighter.

Just like in America it's not illegal to carry a gun, but it is illegal to go out in to the street and start shooting at people. I suppose you subscribe to that nonsense logic as well... tongue.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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I think you should be allowed to buy fireworks, but there should be some laws on transporting them. Having them on your person isn't necessary.

Maybe a law like in America regarding alcohol. You can buy it, but it must be kept in the boot and kept sealed until you get home.

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I think you should be allowed to buy fireworks, but there should be some laws on transporting them. Having them on your person isn't necessary.

Maybe a law like in America regarding alcohol. You can buy it, but it must be kept in the boot and kept sealed until you get home.

That's fairly sensible, but how practical would it be to enforce?

Quite simply, I could buy a pack of 5 rockets for instance, keep them in the packet, then when I decide it's a good time, take them out of the packet, light them, let them off in to the crowd and destroy all evidence at the same time...

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Organised events only.

Too many f*ckwits in the world today!

Of course if you want to invite all the aforementioned f*ckwits to bring their fireworks and a box of matches to a party in a large enclosed space (very enclosed, very soundproofed and intrisically safe so nothing escapes to the outside world)...

...please invite me to sit outside and enjoy the peace while the mayhem rages inside!

Ray

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happy enough to ban them personally. They did raise the age to buy them to 18 (or is it 21 now?) but you can always get under the counter things and when was the last time you saw a 12 or 14yr old struggle to get cigarettes. Still a place for kids with sparklers in the back garden but the rockets and bangers could be moved up under the specialist explosives range like the larger rockets are just now.

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i can understand the logic of being allowed to carry a gun, but not being allowed to murder people.

there is a conflict of course between what a human has the right to do what they like if they are not harming other people, but the increased chances of nitwits abusing that freedom.

i believe we should all be as free as possible, let us carry handguns and uranium if we so wish. but then i would prefer to be safe from crazy people. so the two things just dont go together really. there can be no right answer as its a compromise between two ideals, total freedom or total statistical security.

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no line drawn would work just as well as any other option, depending on whats right for the beliefs of the individual. there is always eventual order in nature. i'm talking now looking at it from the outside and not me having to actualy be there and live with it, in which case i would have to accept a safe compromise as i'm not that brave.

i think the specific subject of fireworks is a bit obscure though, maybe as i havent had experience of idiots with them, but to me it sounds as strange as lets ban televisions because idiots might throw them out of hotel windows and hurt people in the street below.

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maybe we need a poll for "has john turned into a grumpy old man how he's over 30" wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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no line drawn would work just as well as any other option, depending on whats right for the beliefs of the individual. there is always eventual order in nature. i'm talking now looking at it from the outside and not me having to actualy be there and live with it, in which case i would have to accept a safe compromise as i'm not that brave.

i think the specific subject of fireworks is a bit obscure though, maybe as i havent had experience of idiots with them, but to me it sounds as strange as lets ban televisions because idiots might throw them out of hotel windows and hurt people in the street below.

In which case perhaps you need to experience it. Anyone fancy a trip to Cornwall with a pack of rockets?

Joking aside, I know where you're coming from with the natural selection talk, but it works both ways, society coming down on people that misbehave is also nature.

maybe we need a poll for "has john turned into a grumpy old man how he's over 30" wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

And no, I've always been this grumpy tongue.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

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i strongly diagree with the sale of fireworks to the general public. i had the option of selling them during my employment at homebase, and i said no. having hearly been hit by a stray firework once, and with all the stories of people burning themselves and animals being abused, think its about time a law was passed banning sale of them to the public.

in the right hands they are great, plus at organised shows, should the worst happen, the emergency services are close at hand.

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society coming down on people that misbehave is also nature.

i like that. that makes me more accepting of things going on even if i dissagree.

so even if its wrong, its right, because its still falls under the laws of nature.

i've been reading a bit about darwin recently as it happens.

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i'll have whatever your taking ffs confused.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":confused:" border="0" alt="confused.gif" /> whats darwin got to do with fire works??????

ban them or just ban any tracksuit rockport berghaus wearing combination looking chav from buying them.

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From a sensible, public-safety point of view, I'd like to see them banned.

From the point of view of someone who's parents always bought a selection box of them on Bonfire Night to coo at in the gerden, I think it'd be a shame to ban them.

But once again, the real issue is missed. It's not about fireworks specifically - it's about people's attitudes towards others. Once again, we come back to what I always end up saying, and that's responsibility. People have none now, cos it's taken away from them at day 1.

Of course, there's always been revelers (sp?) letting fireworks off, but not like there are today. When I lived in Bradford, riding your bike on Nov 5th (or within a few days either side) just made you a moving target, and therefore a greater challenge. Scary stuff. But if it weren't fireworks, they'd find something else no doubt.

And no-one can deny that well organised fireworks look stunning, even if they are a huge waste of money.

So I say, sell them, and for Christ's sake let's start teaching our kids the principles and consequences of responsibility, before the whole country turns into a jibbering bunch of losers wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

PS.....John's NO way as grumpy as me!! wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

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they would ban them on all days but november 5th but then you get into americans wanting them for the 4th of july, chineese for their new year etc. not practical to ban them on certain days or you'd offend some group or other.

let's start teaching our kids the principles and consequences of responsibility, before the whole country turns into a jibbering bunch of losers wink.gif style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

here here, can we bring back proper discipline of the beating black and blue variety too. Never did us any harm and there are times when if they don't do as they are told kids need more than to be sent to their room or have less pocket money. Catch them early, be firm and decisive make no mean no and make sure they know right from wrong at an early age.

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I agree with Steve's comments about it being a shame, because it is... however the world is the way it is, and nothing's going to change that overnight, so it's not right to sell them now.

The sentimental attachment is too expensive.

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Get them banned from sale to the public and only have

organised licensed events.

Why are they still sold in high street shops anyway,I thought

the goverment would have banned them ages ago as they are soo dangerous.

Firearm and shotgun licenses are issued by the police after

strict criteria are met yet any adult can buy fireworks.........CRAZY!

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This is what I cant understand.

For the past three years, I have done a disply at the Mother in Laws.

It cost her £45 in fireworks.

The local working mens club has a huge disply, which is free.

Hallam FM do a HUGE! disply at the Sheffield Arena for a few quid.

Its cheaper to go to a disply.

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increase the tax on them hugely might work, save kids buying them and if you are a legitamate business setting them off then you can claim the vat back.

as kids we always used to play with bangers and caps and all those other things, if we could have got hold of decent fireworks we would have played with those too. (did anyone else get those small yellow caps with the red bit of paper at the bottom holding in a small amount of explosive power? I remember cuttign them all up and extracting the powder from a pack of 50 and then wrapping it up in paper and seletape and throwing it into the open fire in the lounge - fired hot coals out quite spectatularly, good job they were planning to replace that carpet anyway lol) Even banning them isn't going to solve the problem, lots of non-kitemarked unaproved fireworks get into the country already.

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