LR5V Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 VW want £100 a side for complete tie rods - How can they justify charging so much? I thought I had found a way of getting pukker quality items for £25 a side The tie rod I removed form my Gti is 324mm long - this is assuming it is Gti one - can anyone confirm bare length of inner tie rod? Looking at the part it is marked TRW, so scurried off to their E-catalogue Under Lupo Gti it lists 2 sizes, delighted to find JAR546 had the length corresponded with mine: Ordered a pair of genuine TRW inner tie rods, £36 - meaning a pair of complete tie rods for around £50 is great. when they arrived the first thing I did was measure them, still in the plastic bag they were 312mm long - so no good I am going to look into this a bit more, currently the 2 people in technical support at TRW are on leave, will try calling in a few weeks. maybe they can find something with the same thread sizes at close to the correct length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeha Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 Febi 38859 is quoted as 332mm long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Aren't they the same as mk4 golfs, where you simply chop the ends off? £6 each ish. Haven't done one for ages though, so could be wrong. Edited September 16, 2018 by mk2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, yeha said: Febi 38859 is quoted as 332mm long. Thanks - Will look into these, happy to grind down the extra - but considering both my old tie rod ends only used 35% of the thread I could live with the extra as is. 11 minutes ago, mk2 said: Aren't they the same as mk4 golfs, where you simply chop the ends off? £6 each ish. Haven't done one for ages though, so could be wrong. Well ahead of you! - 2 weekends ago I bought a pair of Lemforder ones, same spec as my Mk4, very big difference in length -so big I didn't bother to measure! + the thread that goes into the rack is a M14, when the Lupo one is M12, one size bigger - in all too much to mess around with to get to work and were returned to euro's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 6n2 ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 Looks like the Febi ones are Polo: When you pull up the "used in vehicles" up pops the Gti in pole position - apparently they stopped production in 2009, starting to think there must be typo's all over the place ust or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Got the Febi tie rods - My thanks to @yeha they are a touch longer - about 4mm longer, but if that is an issue it can easily be ground down The rubber dough-nut slips off with a bit of oil. Have to admit I am not the biggest fan of Febi stuff, but at less thn £24 for a pair I can live with them! Rod ends - I got these as complete tie rods, was happy till I found they were short, but the ends match the one I have taken off. Just for information they were Lemforder Steering Rod Assembly 25060 02 from the fitment in the ebay listing they appear to be standard across the Lupo range TPS were going to charge over £200 for a pair of complete tie-rods, so the good news is decent branded set up can be had for around £50 to £60 - even cheaper if you are not as fussy with brand, good news for keeping our Gti's on the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Physical comparison is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 what do you want compared Rich? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Badbrains Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 He wants to compare his rod with yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just stating that the comparison of the tie rods is good. I like the innuendo though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted September 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 The diameter of new tie rods is within a 100th of a mm to the ones I had on before, that is assuming my old ones are Gti: 1 - 12.92 2 - 14.37 3- 14.43 ...and I didn't mention girth once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR5V Posted September 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 Was picking up some parts at TPS this morning - served by the same guy who told me about the £100 a side cost. I told him about the cheap option I had found. Also asked what he thought about the VW price, his reply was "utterly ridiculous"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver! Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Right hombres keep it on track 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscherryviolet Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 Do the TRW ones have low friction plastic bearings that enhance damping and reliability? Because that’s important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 There is a ball joint made of plastic inside. No actual bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted September 24, 2018 Report Share Posted September 24, 2018 I thiught that they use low friction coefficient nylon 66 type compounds. It has a naturally low surface friction, similar to teflon (ptfe), but tougher. I does make me ponder why there is some grease on the surface of the sphere. Nylon combined with steel doesn't need lube. @mscherryviolet is right though. It is most important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 (edited) I too could have used the word nylon but I'm keeping things simple. And to keep it on topic if you fail an MOT on a ball joint or track rod and you feel pikey, a quick hard tap or two from a ball pein hammer on the flat cap of the failing part will usually stop the movement and get you through. Edited September 25, 2018 by Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk2 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I once race tuned a Lada for a laugh (yeah it is possible), and i remember doing exactly that- wherever there is too much movement in a joint, you can whack it to close it up. I didn't think anyone knew that old trick...! Sounds like @Rich went to the same school as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausage Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 4 hours ago, Rich said: I too could have used the word nylon but I'm keeping things simple. And to keep it on topic if you fail an MOT on a ball joint or track rod and you feel pikey, a quick hard tap or two from a ball pein hammer on the flat cap of the failing part will usually stop the movement and get you through. haha, I have been known to do this myself on drop links and ball joints if i feel a bit of play. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscherryviolet Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 This is the most amazing topic I’ve ever been involved in. Innuendo bingo for days. I like to do a hard tap too... especially when there is a bit of play. Can’t beat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 A hard tap or a bit of a hammering will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscherryviolet Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 You need to tell that to @danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourist Posted September 27, 2018 Report Share Posted September 27, 2018 VW and Febi part numbers for complete tie rods etc: NS= 6E0 422 803 Febi 45009 OS= 6E0 422 804 Febi 45010 Steering rack boots= 6N0 422 831 Febi 10849 Small rack boot clip= N102 077 01 Large rack boot clip= N103 123 01 These are what were fitted to my GTi approximately this time last year along with Febi anti roll bar bushes and drop links, all good to date Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscherryviolet Posted October 1, 2018 Report Share Posted October 1, 2018 Hi Martin x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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